How Gilchrist was found out

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Twenty-two-year-old Rochelle Rees got involved in politics as a schoolgirl, determined to do something about issues such as cruelty in battery hen farms.

Since then she has handed out leaflets, been arrested for locking herself to a shop selling clothing made with animal fur from China and made the news during this year's election campaign for a cheeky "Google bomb" calling John Key "clueless". In the past week she was filming, with permission, inside a meatworks to check for inhumane treatment of the cows and bulls.

A year ago Rees started a relationship with another animal welfare campaigner she'd known since she was at school. It was Rob Gilchrist. She moved to Christchurch to live with him. But something felt wrong. A few weeks ago, when he asked for help fixing his computer, she found out why.

The computer was slow and erratic. Rees, who works as a computer programmer, reinstalled his email programme and then made a routine check that his old emails hadn't been corrupted. She was puzzled to see hundreds of emails with the "sender" and "subject" lines blank. Checking them, she found they were all private political emails and all being forwarded to the same anonymous address. Something was very wrong. But she didn't know what.

She and a friend looked through the emails and found documents with titles such as "Intel Request". From that first clue a picture gradually emerged of 10 years of police surveillance.

The final breakthrough was tracing the identity of Gilchrist's mysterious "Uncles". This search led first to the Christchurch central police station and eventually to the highly secret Special Investigations Group. These special police detectives are funded each year under a police budget category called "increase national security".

National security is about wars, terrorists and foreign spies. Rees asks how these police can justify targeting peaceful protesters and even their personal lives.

"Protests are part of a healthy democracy," she said.

"The police are supposed to be protecting that but instead they are inhibiting it. It's foolish of them since stomping on peaceful protest is the best way to make people more extreme and push them underground."

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The activist who turned police informer

IN MARCH this year Greenpeace made a dramatic attempt to stop a coal ship leaving Lyttelton harbour. Greenpeace's flagship, the Rainbow Warrior, tried to block the path of the Hellenic Sea, while three activists scaled the coal carrier and bolted themselves to it. A large number of police intervened and one policewoman leapt from a speedboat on to a Greenpeace dinghy. Six people were arrested.

Greenpeace protester Rob Gilchrist filmed the whole drama from his Land Rover on shore.

Gilchrist was not just working for Greenpeace, though. He was also working for the police. He had told police beforehand about the planned protest. He had been both spy and demonstrator at many protests by Greenpeace and other activist groups for nearly 10 years.

During the past decade the police spent tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of dollars getting Gilchrist to spy on environmental groups, anti-Iraq War groups, poverty and beneficiary rights groups, animal welfare groups, GE-free groups and many others. The police pressed him to gather information not only about the groups' protest plans, but also the personal lives and relationships of members.

He had relationships with women in the groups, one for four years, adding to the pressure of living a double life. He now says he is "embarrassed and sorry for deceiving and hurting people he cares about".

It was his current partner, 22-year-old animal rights and Labour activist Rochelle Rees, who stumbled across evidence of his role a few weeks ago and blew the whistle (see sidebar, opposite).

Rees says she was shocked by the personal deception, but equally at the police for abusing the rights of peaceful protesters.

"There's a name for countries that spy on their critics, dissidents and protesters in this way," she told the Sunday Star-Times. "I don't know how the police can justify prying so intrusively into our lives."

Civil libertarians are appalled that police infiltrate protest groups in the name of national security. The police might argue that extremists can lurk there. In this case they must be disappointed at the conclusions their informer drew after a decade of spying.

Does Gilchrist think the people in the protest groups were security threats? "No, of course not. I know they are good people trying to make a better world," he told the Star-Times. He said he had felt "conflicted" for years. "I didn't feel what I was doing was moral or right." He'd got stuck in something he wasn't proud of but found it hard to get out.

Auckland human rights lawyer Tim McBride said the long-term police surveillance "seems to me to be outrageous in a country that goes off to the United Nations and prattles on about our proud human rights record".

GILCHRIST, 40, reports to two members of the police Special Investigation Group in Christchurch, men he privately calls "Uncle John" and "Uncle Pete". The SIG was set up following the September 11 terrorist attacks to carry out counter-terrorism and national security duties. Now the public can get a detailed look at the work of these top-secret groups, thanks to Rob Gilchrist asking his girlfriend Rochelle Rees to fix his computer. Rees, a computer expert, found that he had been sending information about protest groups to an anonymous email address - one that turned out to belong to the police.

The Star-Times can reveal that Gilchrist was till now "run" by detective Peter Gilroy, a member of the Special Investigation Group based at central Christchurch police station. The unit operated with discretion and stealth. Gilroy always paid cash - $600 each week plus expenses - into Gilchrist's bank account: enough to keep him working but not to make him rich.

The use of an informer was part of a much wider police intelligence effort targeting community groups, using surveillance, filming of protests and seizure of computers and papers following protest arrests.

Gilchrist received his instructions face to face or from an anonymous email address. For example, in July 2007 an "Intel Request" was sent to Gilchrist with a list of questions about political groups. It asked "Climate Change Groups: What is happening with climate change groups in Auckland? Who is involved? What actions might they be considering for the future? What specific plans are in place for Climate Day of Action 07/07?"

There were similar questions about other groups including "Anti War/Anti American Groups" and "Auckland Animal Action". It asked for personal details about the individuals including their relationships.

The officer asked if the animal welfare campaigners were "likely to start using terrorist tactics". He then asked the names of the people in the Vegan Balaclava Pixies, a group mentioned once on one website. The reason for the national security police's interest in them: they had spray painted a vegetarian slogan on a "Red meat, feel good" billboard.

The embedded properties of this computer document record that it came from "New Zealand Police" and the author was "PG4369" (possibly Gilroy's internal police number).

In "Auckland Intel Notes" sent to the anonymous email address on August 20, 2006, Gilchrist reported on a police-funded trip to Auckland. He begins "the main emphasis of this trip was to gather up to date photos of persons of interest", confirm their addresses and gather intelligence on activist groups.

Again he had been asked to collect personal information unrelated to their protest activities, much less any crimes. This strongly suggests the Special Investigation Group maintains dossiers on political figures and community groups.

Another "Intel Request" on October 10 last year enclosed a photo, for Gilchrist to identify a young man on a bicycle outside a Christchurch home. This gives an insight into the work of the SIG. The Sullivan Ave house was rented by university students active in the Save Happy Valley group, who around that time had been concerned that someone was hanging around watching the address. It's now clear that they had been under surveillance by the SIG, including covert photography of people coming and going.

A large part of Gilchrist's work was using his position in various groups to obtain internal communications and forward them to the police. The main groups monitored in this way were Save Happy Valley, Auckland Animal Action and Peace Action Wellington, indicating the SIG priorities. He also forwarded emails from the Green Party and Workers Party.

In Gilchrist's case, within the protest groups he has been an outspoken advocate of radical action such as illegal break-ins. During protests he has used a radio scanner to monitor police communications and often took the role of "police liaison" for the protest organisers.

At protests, Gilchrist was often the one taunting police, says Mark Eden of Wellington Animal Rights Network, who regarded Gilchrist as a friend. "If it didn't involve adrenalin and confrontation, he wasn't interested," Eden told the Star-Times.

"He was always interested in who was keen on illegal actions and would often make it known that he was keen to be involved in anything illegal or undercover. On a few occasions he would take people out for a drive and sit outside a factory farm or an animal laboratory and encourage them to talk about planning a break-in or other illegal activity.

"He would be really pushy and persistent about planning illegal activities and then would suddenly lose interest, claiming it was too difficult or that he was busy. He was always keen on planning dodgy stuff, but on the occasions when we did break the law [for instance, an open rescue of battery hens] he would always have an excuse and pull out at the last minute."

In hindsight Eden believes Gilchrist was inciting people to talk about illegal stuff and then "reporting it to police to make us sound dodgy".

Group members say Gilchrist was interested in factions and internal conflicts, sometimes spending hours on the phone discussing infighting. In 2005-08 he frequently claimed to have evidence that a 19- or 20-year-old Auckland animal welfare campaigner was a police informer. This and other claims about spies in the groups created unease and bad feeling.

"He always made a big fuss about looking for undercover cops and being secretive and paranoid about spies or police," Eden told the Star-Times.

But at the same time Gilchrist was alerting police to their plans. Eden said that the groups got used to finding large numbers of police waiting at the site of planned protests, or stopping their cars before they got there, leading to fears that their phones were being tapped.

McBride said surveillance of protest groups was a breach of fundamental human rights, including the right to peaceful assembly and privacy. Police had to have a compelling justification before going undercover in a protest group. It would not be enough to argue that, for instance, "animal rights groups have been involved in acts of sabotage, and how are we going to know that unless we infiltrate them?" There had to be a credible concern about criminal activity.

In this case the informer had worked for a long period of time without apparently finding much. "This seems to me to be a case of overzealous police activity without justification," McBride told the Star-Times.

Victoria University law lecturer Steven Price said protesters "are the conscience of society. Though their messages are often unpopular when they're delivered, it's surprising how often they are the spark that ignites important social changes that later seem obviously right".

Sometimes their protests "involve some unlawfulness - sit-ins, naked demonstrations, trespasses to get shocking photos of hatcheries, bill-sticking, subverting billboards and the like. More thoughtful justice systems than ours better recognise the value of protest speech and are careful before they punish it".

Sometimes protesters committed serious crimes and were rightly accountable for them, Price said.

"But over the years, it seems to me that there isn't much evidence of that in New Zealand's protest movements. Certainly not enough to justify a policy as invasive as hiring an infiltrator, a scheme likely to yield little in the way of criminal intelligence but sure to wreak havoc with people's lives."

THE REVELATIONS about Gilchrist's undercover activity follow the exposure of a private investigation company's hiring of informants to spy on the environmental group opposing Solid Energy's proposed new coal mine near Stockton on the West Coast.

Last year the Star-Times revealed that Auckland private investigators Thompson & Clark had hired students to infiltrate many of the same protest groups, including Save Happy Valley, animal rights and anti-war groups.

The police spying was part of an international trend to increase police surveillance of political groups. From 2001 this followed War on Terror changes in the US where, according to the New York Times, the FBI's aggressive Joint Terrorism Task Force has targeted "groups active in causes as diverse as the environment, animal cruelty and poverty relief". New post-September 11 laws targeted so-called eco-terrorists, resulting in large numbers of campaigners being sentenced to long periods in jail for acts of civil disobedience that would have previously been treated more leniently.

The increased political surveillance in New Zealand has gone together with more aggressive policing of protest, with hundreds of arrests of protesters in recent years for actions that in the past would probably not have resulted in charges. Nearly all these charges have subsequently been dropped or thrown out by the courts.

A common justification of surveillance of political groups is that it enables the police to be well-informed and make a more considered response to protests. But critics say the police intelligence work appears to have had the opposite effect, increasing the heaviness of policing.

In October 2003, for example, there was a small protest about animal welfare at the Auckland head office of Tegel Chicken, where a protest letter was delivered and a small amount of hay scattered in the reception area. In response, the home of the protest organiser was raided, computers and personal papers seized for months and heavy burglary charges laid.

The charges, all of which the police eventually dropped, were out of all proportion to the protest and needlessly intimidating, according to organiser Jesse Duffield, a young school teacher. Duffield says he was disillusioned by this and has since shifted overseas.

Duffield felt that the police knew about the protest in advance and had had them under surveillance. This now makes sense. The only person who knew about the protest in advance, besides those involved, was Gilchrist. This was one of hundreds of meetings, discussions and events he took part in over the years.

Gilchrist's role in political circles was recorded by a Listener reporter in a September 2004 article, which painted a picture of "eco-activists ... conducting semi-legal campaigns up and down the country". The reporter described attending a GE-free campaign workshop run by a radical who looked like an electrician.

"A lot of what he teaches, he says, `comes straight from military training'. He's ex-Army, with a buzz cut and Barker polar-fleece." The person described was given a false name in the article, but Eden, who was there, says it was Gilchrist.

The reporter wrote: "His lecture covers breaking and entering; the need for information, to know your site, to operate in the dead of night with cloud cover and no moon. Apparently, it's easier to `go through, rather than over' fences - he has words for those who entertain scaling walls with grappling hooks. `It's not the movies, and we're not ninjas. That stuff is pure Hollywood'."

The reporter later attended a GE-free protest in Christchurch, which turned out to be a symbolic act of planting organic onion plants outside crown research institute Crop and Food, which was developing GE onions. TV cameras were waiting. The only radical person picked out for mention was in the front vehicle: "A Land-Rover blazes the trail, radio scanner scouring frequencies for signs of police mobilisation."

Again, it was Gilchrist.

But before they even reached the institute the protesters were all stopped by police and several more police cars waited at the site. The protest was thwarted. Like the Greenpeace coal protest in March, the police had obviously been warned.

The Listener article concluded: "Something's gone wrong. The air is suddenly thick with paranoia. Sideways glances are cast, and everyone's under suspicion of leaking or worse informing. As an `embedded journalist' some finger me as prime suspect." Eden says the accuser was Gilchrist, who specifically blamed the reporter and spread accusations against him to other campaigners around the country.

Now they know who it really was.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4792248a6005.html

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Who the police were spying on

ANTI-BASES CAMPAIGN. Christchurch-based group "opposed to foreign military intelligence installations", including the Deep Freeze base at Christchurch airport and intelligence stations at Tangimoana and Waihopai.

AUCKLAND ANIMAL ACTION. Small Auckland group that protests against battery-hen farming and other cruelty to animals.

BENEFICIARIES ACTION COLLECTIVE. 1990s' group opposed to the then National government's work-for-the-dole and other welfare policies.

GE-FREE NEW ZEALAND. Nationwide network of groups opposed to GE food and the release of GE plants and animals into the environment.

PEACE ACTION WELLINGTON. Wellington-based peace group which spearheaded Iraq War protests and opposes the arms industry.

GREENPEACE. The international environment and peace organisation.

PEOPLE'S MORATORIUM ENFORCEMENT AGENCY (GE FREE). A GE protest group opposed to release of GE crops.

SAVE ANIMALS FROM EXPLOITATION (SAFE). Animal welfare group that campaigns to prevent abuse of animals, including in circuses, battery-hen farming and factory farming of pigs.

SAVE HAPPY VALLEY. A climate change group campaigning to stop a new open-cast coal mine in the Happy Valley area of the West Coast.

WELLINGTON ANIMAL RIGHTS NETWORK. A small animal rights group campaigning against battery-hen farming and the use of animals in laboratory experiments.

What is the Special Investigation Group?

The police Special Investigation Group, which Rob Gilchrist worked for, was set up in 2005 after officials said it was needed as part of New Zealand's response to the September 11 attacks. However, today's informer revelations show SIG officers have been targeting protest and community groups.

Announcing funding for the SIG teams in the 2004 budget, Phil Goff said they were to boost New Zealand's counter-terrorism capacity and would be "deployed for specific national security duties" by the Strategic Intelligence Unit at police national headquarters.

Cabinet had approved formation of the central Strategic Intelligence Unit in January 2002, shortly after the September 11 attacks, after officials advised it was needed to "focus on terrorism and transnational activity such as people smuggling, identity fraud and money laundering".

There are now SIG teams in Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. In Christchurch two SIG officers directed and paid Gilchrist to infiltrate the groups. They are his main handler, Detective Peter Gilroy, and the officer in charge of SIG in Christchurch, Detective Sergeant John Sjoberg.

Goff said at the time 29 new police staff would go to units conducting investigative and intelligence-related work. Most or all of these are likely to be SIG staff.

The police 2006 Statement of Intent claimed SIG teams "are dedicated to the investigation of national security-related crime including terrorism". Before the formation of the SIG teams, surveillance of protest groups was mainly done by police Threat Assessment Unit staff.

Detective Gilroy moved to New Zealand in 1973 from the London Metropolitan Police and was a member of the Armed Offenders Squad and then Special Tactics Group from 1975-1999, when he appears to have moved into police intelligence work.

Gilroy received the Queen's Service Award in 2001 for public services.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundaystartimes/4792188a6619.html

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Nearly 10 years? Gilchrist first got involved in Christchurch groups in 1997...

You can hear this scum talking about it in his obituary for Gaye Dyson -
http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/21139
"We worked in ad-hoc groups with her on demonstations against McVomits, Vivisection, the America's Cup and Work For the Dole amonst others and street theatre highlighting the Indonesian government's murderous occupation of East Timor and the starving child victims of 'free trade globalization' on Buy Nothing Day."

That's what really, really makes me angry. He was working against all of that for many years, and he did it shamelessly. He spat on the memories of two of the best women I've known, Suzanne Carey and Gaye Dyson. That bastard deserves hell.

He says he felt "conflicted". Not very conflicted then, if he could lie about everything to so many people for such a long time. Not when he was always trying to get people to break the law (perhaps to extend his shitty contract).

I do have to laugh that he got Rochelle to fix his computer! At least one entertaining thing came out of this!

And if activism has been this strong with that bastard spying from the inside, and helping the police intimidate, arrest, and harass everybody, then I'm pretty hopeful for what can be achieved with him not around.

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Let's get Rochelle to fix the computers of the Gang of Four now!

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Yeah, but is he the only one? That's the danger I guess. If he isn't, the others know to watch out. IF he is the only one, everyone is all that more circumspect now.

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Um, that quote is from Strypey. I'm pretty sure Rob wasn't involved in activism before 1998. He was involved in CAPLE prior to joining the Beneficiary Action Collective (NOT the Beneficiaries Action Collective).

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Ah, whoops!

I do remember him at Dyson's funeral though, and I'm still very bloody angry.

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it's not "indy" if you just copy & paste stories from the stuff website.

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Robert Steven Gilchrist
1 / 81 Osbourne Street, Christchurch
027 2436375

I'm sure Rob would like to hear from you all personally.

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Write an article then jo, or isnt an article by Nicky Hager good enough anymore.

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Jo's right, of course - this article, according to Indy policy, should be in Other Press. It was written for and published by the SST, which is corporate media.

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"to make people more extreme and push them underground"
and justify yet more wasted money on Orwellian '1984' style surveillance.

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What were the anonymous email addresses thanks

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the last thing we need is to be looking sideways at each other. the last thing! we need to support each other, to come together and be strong through this. to work together. not to doubt each other. yeah it's a goddamn shame. i mean, what the f*#k. but lets get through this together, people!

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We're all fucked. That prick Gilchrist knew everything. He's gotta pay big time for this. Where can we find the bastard? He's got a electronics website and business hasn't he? Let's fuck that up for him. All the fucking time we were worried about fucking Thompson and Clark, what a fucking joke.

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Nah, the business was a shallow front and fell away quickly.
It has been silent for most of it's several years.
The domain nzscanners.co.nz, which was established for the business, has expired.
nzscanners.com is registered through a proxy and serves a standard domain squatter page.
nzscanners.org.nz is moribund. It's mail lists are silent. It would be unreasonable to assume that none of it's members read the paper. The domain is registered to another.
That all said, the company NZScanners Limited is still alive and must be about due to file an annual report. Rob owns the solitary share in it.
That must be the fourth time someone has refurbished the companies office website. I wonder when they'll have a go at the database interface.

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Will Nicky (who has his own dirty history) also 'let us know' that Rob had heaps of child pornography, bestiality videos and video from a camera set up in a woman's toilet on his computer? (Rob has a 13 year old daughter.)

He even lied in a conference last year about having Parkinson's disease and being on his death bed.

There's loads more on Rob. I don't know why people are protecting him? He is a compulsive, manipulative and violent liar. Wake up people!

Sure he forwarded heaps of information on to the police institution and the state behind them are corrupt as hell but Rob should not be left unaccountable no matter how many tears he sheds your way. (I am NOT advocating physical violence.)

The state and the corporations may terrorise us but we must never give up.

For the poor and hungry, the massacred forests, the caged animals, the tortured prisoners, the used workers, the abused women, the crushed indigenous.... ka whawhai tonu matou, ake ake ake.

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people are not protecting him, there is more to come on this story and all will be revealed to maximum effect in the next few days
Mr G

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You've been protecting him for years.

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So where is the long-promised "more" ?

to u no hu

yeah nice one. drop the standards around here why don't ya. and what evidence do you have of that? that's the sickest thing i've heard all day, thanks. thanks for taking the whole thing to that next level down.

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"We're all fucked. That prick Gilchrist knew everything. He's gotta pay big time for this. Where can we find the bastard? He's got a electronics website and business hasn't he? Let's fuck that up for him. All the fucking time we were worried about fucking Thompson and Clark, what a fucking joke."

Pull ur head in mate, he has fucked himself, no need for any more help from us.

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The last thing we need at a time like this is more sectarian or personality based infighting... Let's keep this discussion friendly.

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He incited people many times. Suzanne Carey told me once how he was trying to get her to buy some explosives he could get, not her sort of thing at all. Also I know he was fucking 15 year old vegan girls in Wellington.

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The comment in regards to Rob trying to get people to buy explosives has been hidden as it is an accusation without substance. If anyone wishes to comment or challenge on this decision you can contact the ed collective at: imc-aotearoa-ed AT lists DOT indymedia DOT org

Kerry - AIMC ed

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If he was reporting to the SIG then it would not surprise me to the least that they would employ these tactics during their Operation 8 terrorism investigation.

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It sounds like he was actually the one behind much of the law breaking. When it is the police breaking the law to try to make political groups look bad and get more funding for themselves, I think it is time for the people involved to face the full force of the law.

It seems unlikely that the police would bring charges against one of their own, but if he has broken laws all of the place for no genuine investigative reason (being part of the planning is, in the eyes of the law, the same as being the hands doing the crime), it seems like a private prosecution might be able to get charges to stick.

I don't believe in revenge, but this guy needs to be rehabilitated, and a jail term would also send a message to people like him in the police to not interfere in politics (which is also illegal and a violation of everyones' civil rights).

I'm an Aucklander and not involved enough to set up a fund for a private prosecution myself, but if someone did I would certainly donate a little bit to the fund, and I'm sure lots of others would too for a good cause like that.

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Ironically enough he has recieved compensation from the police for wrongful arrest on at least one occasion, when he was arrested in Wellington around 2000, He was also arrested in Christchurch a few years later I can't remember if he got compensation for that one

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"I don't believe in revenge, but this guy needs to be rehabilitated"

I understand your intent, but from the perspective of the government and the justice system you cant get much more rehabilitated than spying on your friends and lovers and feeding that information to the police. What would a radical rehabilitation look like? What would it take to trust him again? I'd say it wouldn't be possible EVER.

I remember reading a book once about cold-war spies and double-agents. There was no political motivation behind their allegiances, they just liked playing spy. Rob liked playing activist spy and he liked playing police spy. Just a little boy fucking with other peoples real lives and passions.

He'll probably get a promotion for this, not a jail sentence.

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So why doesn't WINZ prosecute Gilchrist for illegally taking a benefit, while also raking in the $600 pw from the secret police, not to mention the odd spot of cash he stole from Wgtn Animal Action then blamed activists there for doing, and got them booted out?

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Anon writes:
"We're all fucked. That prick Gilchrist knew everything. He's gotta pay big time for this. Where can we find the bastard? He's got a electronics website and business hasn't he? Let's fuck that up for him. All the fucking time we were worried about fucking Thompson and Clark, what a fucking joke."

It's not surprising that some people are feeling like this. After all, this guy has weaseled his way into people's lives, run the NZActivism list etc and will have passed on a lot of information to the cops. So I'm not in the least surprised that some people are suddenly feeling really exposed and vulnerable. It's a completely natural reaction.

But the world isn't going to fall in because of this. It's more important that people learn from the experience. It's impossible to know if everybody in your circle is legit and it would be wrong to become paranoid about everyone.

He clearly managed to con a lot of people. Something can be learned from that. For example my mother came across Gilchrist at least a decade ago when he first came on the scene. She was immediately suspicious of him and warned other people to stay away from him. She was convinced back then that he was an agent provocateur or a spook. Subsequent information that she got only served to confirm her feeling. Not being involved in the anarchist scene I assumed he had disappeared back under his log but he obviously hadn't. That sort of knowledge should be taken more seriously. As I say, we should not be paranoid and ostracise people based on vague feelings, but when someone has evidence it should be shared.

Meanwhile, the most important thing is to assume that email lists are monitored and just get used to the fact that you have to be careful. It's not about being paranoid, just about being sensible. All serious groups will be infiltrated at times. I assume that my involvement in the WP (and other stuff I've done before) has brought me to the attention of the cops and I just carry on with that assumption in the back of my mind.

I realise from a personal perspective, some people will be feeling betrayed, and that is real and valid. But from a political perspective, I don't think this is as serious as some are thinking.

The other point is that an open forum like this will also be being monitored, so writing things like "He's gotta pay big time for this. Where can we find the bastard?" is ill advised, even if it's posted anonymously.
Cheers,
John

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John if you get a chance have a talk to one of those that was arrested in Operation 8. They may be able to fill you in on the amount of WP stuff that was investigated under wide spread powers employed by the SIG during that operation. I heard there was a hundred or so pages dedicated to the comings and goings of the WP...and of course, almost every other leftist group in the country.

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WP ?

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hey nicely put John, I have to agree with you totally. The last thing we need to do is to retreat from is our groups being open and inclusive, if we do then it seems to me that they have already won even if the 'spy' is found out or not.

And as you say politically this is just the norm a common tactic of the state so I think we really just need to think about getting on with stuff with that fact in the back of our minds.

Rob wouldn't be the first or last spy and he most likely also isn't the only current active one either.

its all quite sad really

dan rae

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Dan, You've got to remember that these undercovers are using techniques like entrapment, which most people are susceptable too on certain levels. If leftist groups do not come up with a better method of vetting, then we will lose all credibility and cannot say with any assuredness to new activists that they are coming into a relatively safe environment.

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So he was 40 & hooked up with a 22yr old?

Says it all really doesn't it.

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I don't see what that has to do with anything. Rochelle is quite capable of making her own decisions - I don't know anyone who could force her to do something she didn't want to, least not Rob.

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Rochelle Rees loves to play the victim "poor me, poor me"- unfortunately I have seen it on more than one occasion. Surely if this was and I quote "the man I loved" wouldn't she have asked him what was going on rather than going off half cocked? She has serious issues which I have seen first hand, some of which she needs help for but refuses to get it or take what she is prescribed for it. Rochelle isn't the hero although I know she'll be having a great time playing this for all its worth. Yes, Rob was living a double life, but don't for one minute think she didn't benefit from it as well!

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Seems that my previous post was deleted. I wonder if I got too close to revealing the real Rochelle Rees? Obviously it is okay to let people talk about "fucking him up", but aren't allowed to talk about what we actually know for fact - thanks Indie Media so much for freedom of speech!

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I believe in the Parihaka method.

Invite Bryce to your table for dinner, as the truth has nothing to hide.

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Did this guy have any moral compass at all? It sounds like he used everyone who was unfortunate enough to make his acquaintance.

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Once again the Keystone Cops have been shown up. Hopefully the fall-out from this affair will assist the Operation 8 defendants.

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Hey there I agree, the police and state will use all kinds of tactics to trap people. But I really can't see how you could establish a effective vetting process.

dan

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I think it sucks that this guy has dobbed us in. Its not on. After all, its not like we did anything to him.
sTupid man.

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Running on the same point here, Parihaka & all that.

The key thing is not to vet anyone but stay open and express freely.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

God, how many cliches can I use in one post.

Don't close up, you have public sympathy, especially in the light that he found nothing.

So use this as a spring board for wider appeal and know you will be betrayed again.

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In fact Rob Gilchrist was very much into the idea of vetting processes, security, creating paranoia and not trusting people within movements...in my opinion its likely he wasn't just there to get info for the police but to also cause division within groups he was active in.. I can think of a number of times he acted in this way.
jo p

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. . . the way Gilchrist wrecked Wgtn Animal Action is a good example of this:

He accused two activists of "swiping money" from WAA (perhaps HE was the one who did this?), and when they indignantly denied it (since they hadn't done it), he got them chucked out. That effectively shut down the group.

A suggestion on how to combat such divisive shit in future: someone else should say "oh, it was me, I borrowed the cash, and wrote an IOU, and I am re-paying it next week." If someone had done that, WAA would have survived.

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Those techniques of security processes would not have been about divisiveness jo but more about creating the perception of authenticity.

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no actually i disagree, over the top security shit is divisive, if you are going to break the law sure be safe, but acting like no-one should know anything except the "in crew" is pointless and anti-revolutionary.
jo p.

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"no actually i disagree, over the top security shit is divisive, if you are going to break the law sure be safe, but acting like no-one should know anything except the "in crew" is pointless and anti-revolutionary."

- Absolutely agree

John A.

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surely the lesson is - direct action must be mass action.

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Yep, thats what I reckon too Jo. Every if we somehow managed to "vet" people anyway, the state has plenty of others methods of watching us so really its just a fact of life and the reality is if we do become a more serious threat to the state then their methods will get far more extreme than this.

Like you say Rob was always keen on spies, vetting and police games and even if that was just to deflect attention from himself (which I doubt it was only that) it functions to cause the problems you mention.

dan rae

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Jo

Well there is a giant casm between basic 'vetting processes' and 'over the top security shit'.

General security methods are not over the top and are designed to keep your core group safe. I think the activist community is struggling to come to terms with the recent discoveries of informants within our networks and the trail of debri this will cause.

Unless we can show basic levels of security in direct action networks then we are inviting people into unsafe environments. When I say unsafe, I do not mean, environments where the police may have eyes on.

I mean, where this countries top so-called anti terrorism and national security agency, the Special Investigation Group, has placed strategic informants to finger activists who they will forever consider to be terrorists, has run operations on these groups, and IS CURRENTLY running operations on most leftist groups.

This is no game, the rules have been changed and we can continue to try to imaging a world that isnt like the state ours is in right now, but that is just living in a fantasy.

From librarians to unionists to direct actionists, we are all being targetted by this unit in its bid to create the perception that terror is at this countries doorstep.

The questions are; do we have the courage to recognise and acknowledge the full width and breadth of this reality, do we have the temerity to make basic changes to security to protect ourselves and up and coming activists about to join our networks, do we realise that no matter what we do, their methods have and will continue to get more draconian irrespective of action we do or do not take. A quick look at the past teaches us that about power and control.

What the SIG have put into play here over the last 4 years has inevitable ends unless they are disbanded, and we are just at the beginning or their plays, which are to frame all the various leftist groups as one big network of terrorists planning to destabilise this country.

Simple vetting processes can be like in public meetings asking people to introduce themselves to the person on their left, name, where theyre from and why are they here. This was used recently and caught out two undercover spooks from the SIG in a public hui up in Auckland. Simple techniques like that can and often are good at rooting out plants. Just use your imagination and stay away from the 'over the top' stuff.

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"This was used recently and caught out two undercover spooks from the SIG in a public hui up in Auckland."

You mean they said they were from the SIG?

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The hui covered issues like better security following the fallout of operation 8. It was facilitated by Prof Jane Kelsey.

I highly doubt two random undercover dicks would have just wandered in to that meeting without them being at least sanctioned by if not directed to, by the special intelligence group who are still overseeing the ongoing investigation into the lives of the arrestees and their surrounding networks.

I made the tie based on that assessment.

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So it was a public meeting. Why all the security?

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Would you call that over the top security?

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interesting that Gavin Clark said early in the year that Rob was an informant for over 10 years earlier in the year :http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/mnr/mnr-20080421-0809-Spying_Claims_Denied-048.mp3
go to 4minutes 40 april 2008

Christianist extremists

anyone else have trouble with their machines while playing this file ?

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Anon writes:
"This is no game, the rules have been changed and we can continue to try to imaging a world that isnt like the state ours is in right now, but that is just living in a fantasy."

Actually no, the rules have not been changed. The only difference is that some people now understand the rules. It is and always has been par for the course that the state will spy on left groups. If you start implementing "security measures" like vetting people, you open your organisation/movement up to all kinds of groundless accusations based on personalities etc. I remember an incident when people were convinced that a guy who turned up at meetings was a spook. The idea became quite widely entrenched. It turned out that the only evidence was that he was older than most other people there, dressed more conservatively and was softly spoken. He didn't seem to "fit in".

Anon:
"Simple vetting processes can be like in public meetings asking people to introduce themselves to the person on their left, name, where theyre from and why are they here. This was used recently and caught out two undercover spooks from the SIG in a public hui up in Auckland."

Would Rob Gilchrist have failed this test? He already had a cover story. OK it probably grew over the years but anyone who's new to a movement won't have a "CV" to demonstrate their credentials. All they need to say is, "Hi, I'm [insert name]. I've never been to a meeting like this before but I've started thinking about x a lot." Is this person included or excluded on that basis? The spooks will get as sophisticated as it takes. I don't believe there is any way of keeping them out. They're an "occupational hazard" of being on the left.
Cheers,
John

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"Actually no, the rules have not been changed. The only difference is that some people now understand the rules. It is and always has been par for the course that the state will spy on left groups."

I can understand why people might 'want' that to be the reality, but operation 8 showed us that sig are willing to go to levels no other previous monitoring group has.

Yes it has always been par for the course that the state spies on left groups, but in the history of this country it has not been par for the course that an entity like sig existed to manufacture grounds for arrest from ideological and circumstantial evidence, run operations to arrest and incarcerate left groups.

This is not the same thing as the old style of documentation, informant information and photographic logging.

sig do not do monitoring for monitoring sake like some other groups do, they run operations, operations that result in raids and arrests and charges either of terrorism or participating in a criminal organisation.

This is the point people are missing that separates the old (pre 2004) from the new (post2004).

"Would Rob Gilchrist have failed this test?"

Of course not, but I wasn't laying out a 'how to' for checking for spooks, I was just giving an example where a little technique like that weeded out a couple of undercovers who left on their own accord when they were outed, a simple technique that worked, and didnt involve an inquisition.

As I later stated,

'use your imagination and stay away from the 'over the top' stuff.'

In other words people can figure out their own little techniques that can weed out the obvious spooks.

People like Gilchrist will be harder to detect without going to places none of us want to.

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"The questions are; do we have the courage to recognise and acknowledge the full width and breadth of this reality, do we have the temerity to make basic changes to security to protect ourselves and up and coming activists about to join our networks..."

The question for me, is rather different. The question is: do we have the constructive, organisational skills to make protest activity mass, inclusive and overall, revolutionary? I don't just want new people joining protest groups, I want protest groups joining the people! The sooner we leave activist network mentality behind and construct visible, viable anarchist alternatives the sooner we can achieve mass, direct action. Energy on tighter security in groups doesn't do that, or at least detracts from the real issues at hand right now.

Cheers
Jared D

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"The question for me, is rather different. The question is: do we have the constructive, organisational skills to make protest activity mass, inclusive and overall, revolutionary?"

I dont see that as different to the previous set of questions, but rather a different approach.

It has been a long time since protest activity has been most of those things you listed harking back to the days an anti-GE rally could result in 5,000 to 10,000 people on the streets in auckland alone.

But as for revolutionary, well that seems to be something the facilitators of mass movements seem to lack the stones to go through with.

From the spring bok tour, to the council of trade unions back-down over the ECA, to the GE movement which was curtailed by the Greens who should have walked from parliament when Labour shafted them over the GE issue. Each mass movement came to the same precipous just to have its so called 'leaders' or representatives cave in and take the soft option.

"I don't just want new people joining protest groups, I want protest groups joining the people!"

Interesting approach, but how many activists could be a part of mass peoples movements that generally break all the unwritten rules of modern NZ activism...like the 1080 movement which one of the biggest groups opposed to it was the NZ Deer Stalkers Association who have 10,000+ members.

Where were the activists 'joining with the people'? Nowhere to be found within 100 miles of the deer stalkers. Was it because the NZDSA werent anti-capitalist, because they ate meat, murdered animals, peopled by mostly chauvenistic men and were mostly right wing conservatives in their political bent and drove 4WD gas guzzling climate changing vehicles?

Just a guess but I think that is why 10,000 or more anti 1080 people were generally ignored when organising anti-1080 protests.

Another example was the so called march against violence in south auckland not too long ago. I went to that march, from what I can tell was the only 'activist' there that I could recognise...but I could be wrong.

It didn't take me long to realise that the protestors were mostly protesting against the police recent handling of armed robberies and murders in the previous year, most felt they were being discriminated against because they were either of Asian decent or because they lived in South Auckland.....this of course differed from the story being promoted about the march by the media and police.

15,000 south aucklanders took to the streets to march and it was ignored by the activist communities, barely got a mention on Indymedia, so again, we have to ask why.

Not bringing these examples up to generate condemnation but to point out that in order to initiate that type of approach you mentioned, to activism, 'activists' would have to make wholesale changes to what has almost become 'activist' culture in this country.

To do that would be 'protest groups joining the people', but easier said than done Im afraid.

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Yeah I agree totally, there is a shit load of work to be done. So lets not allow paranoia and security dampen that work.

I'm writting a text on your points for the next Imminent Rebellion, but in the meantime you should check out Asher's 'Towards Revolutionary Struggle, not Activism' in the last edition of Imminent. Activism has failed. It's time for constructive approaches in the workplace, the labour movement, and working class communities.

Cheers
Jared D

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Activism has not failed altogether in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Police fought us to protect the apartheid South African government.

We were right, they were wrong and they lost.

The New Zealand Police fought us to facilitate nuclear warships of a foreign power coming into our ports.

We were right, they were wrong and they lost.

The New Zealand Police fought us in an effort to secure governmental support for the Iraq war.

We were right, they were wrong and they lost.

The New Zealand Police pick the least moral side of an issue in every case. This is a reflection of the people and their ethos.

Until someone with morals manages to hide them long enough to take control of the New Zealand Police, that organisation is doomed to continue to make the same mistakes it has always made.

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i can just see rob pleading his case in 6 months when the hoo hah has died down a bit that if not him it just would have been someone else.
having known rob and worked with him a few years ago, I steered away from further involvement because of his (and many people like him) paranoia which is not substantiated by action. it was not exactly inspirational. i will never trust him again. although believing in rehabilitation, this offending and selling out of his closest friends and lover(s) went on for 10 years.
the article doesn't make it clear, but i hope rochelle has ended the relationship. If not, I hope she bites his nuts off.

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The response to this incident shouldn't be one of increasing security, but a political response to the use of a supposed terrorist threat as an excuse to attack political dissent.

The SIG has clearly demonstrated that it has been unable, after years of work and loads of taxpayer's dosh, to find a terrorist threat within NZ, and used its resources to chase activists instead. Calling for its closure would be a good immediate demand.

Cheers

Sam Buchanan

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I agree, and I think I mentioned this point in another thread, but what the SIG have done as mentioned in that post is side-shifted from its failed terrorismisation tactics to criminal organisations. At the same time the police are josling to get stronger laws surrounding so called crim orgs but my suspicion is that its intent is to give them more power over activist organisations to incriminate us without any specific crimes being committed. But while I agree to the political response, I do not see it as a this or that situation concerning employing a bit of smarter non-draconian security in the way we use communications and in other arenas.

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Me previously:
"Actually no, the rules have not been changed. The only difference is that some people now understand the rules. It is and always has been par for the course that the state will spy on left groups."

Anon:
"I can understand why people might 'want' that to be the reality, but operation 8 showed us that sig are willing to go to levels no other previous monitoring group has."

Me:
It's not about wanting anything to be reality, and I don't mean to be pedantic (so if I am, just ignore me . . .) but I think there is a political point here.

1. The cops have always spied on the left.]

2. They have always used spooks and agents provocateurs to do it, as well as technological evesdropping, bugging etc.

3. Gilchrist himself predates 9/11 and the formation of the SIG.

4. There is now a new agency (the SIG) to do this kind of work.

The SIG may well be more dedicated and who knows, maybe more competent than previous incarnations but my point is that none of the issues has changed. Operation 8 was obviously a huge upping of the ante but I don't think there has been a dramatic change in terms of the things I listed above.

So the issues for the left are the same as ever: how to deal with the possibility of spooks and how to deal will one when you find him/her. In the first case, I think operating as openly and normally as possible is best. Screening is simply not an option. Small left groups simply don't have the resources to screen with any degree of integrity. On the other hand, when suspicions exist, they should be acted on - forwarded privately to trusted people so as sound an assessment as possible can be made. Rumour and innuendo are all to common in these situations and they are only destructive.
Cheers,
John

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...paranoia runs deep. Into your lives it will creep.

It'll start with betrayal by a trusted friend, and then stop you in your tracks via paralysis. Fight it, but serious damage has been done.

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well put again John

dan rae

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So when are we collectively going to address the matter of the witch-hunts that Gilchrist organised in Wgtn? The various activists who were purged, or falsely accused of being a "cop" by him, or accused of worse things, and driven from our midst? It certainly seems that some of Gilchrist's former close buddies are doing everything possible to avoid bringing these issues to the fore. But shouldn't we take advantage of his outing to reverse the bad decisions he instigated?

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I assume this post is by Horus/Bruce, same as at http://forums.punkas.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50602 (which was also spammed by him to several email lists)

The people he seems to want back "in" are such luminaries as serial rapist Anthony West. Lovely.

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What about the numerous others who were purged in welly? Not all were rapists, though most were accused of being "a cop" (what a joke! - accused of this by a cop!) or "an abuser."

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Horus, how many times do we have to tell you, Rob Gilchrist was not involved in the "purge" of anthony west, in fact Rob was a supporter of Anthony

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There have been other Gilchrist victims (apart from Anthony) who deserve an apology, as Asher admitted on another forum.

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There have been other Gilchrist victims (apart from Anthony) who deserve an apology, as Asher admitted on another forum.

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So when is that apology to the "several victims" (Asher's words) going to happen?

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I don't think Gilchrist organised anything in Wellington. It's possible he did something in animal rights circles (I wouldn't know one way or another), but he wasn't influential in the wider Wellington activist or anarchist scene.

Cheers
Sam Buchanan

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Gilchrist was involved in animal rights circles from 2000-2003 in Chch where he actually did a lot of organising. He moved to wellington and was involved in animal rights there for a while mostly hanging around and trying to look important. most AR people in wellington and around the country became increasingly pissed off with his disruptive behaviour and shit stirring. he moved back to Chch in 2006 and from that point on his main involvement was spreading rumours and shit stirring via telephone calls to activists around the country. He didnt even pretend to do anything useful by that point
Mr G

Sunday Star Times Editorial: Spying police abuse their powers

For the record:

Something is amiss when a police informer spends a decade spying on protest groups. Rob Gilchrist has admitted he did so, forwarding information to the police not only about planned protests but about the personal lives of members. The police unit that ran him was the Special Investigation Group, whose job is to look after counterterrorism and national security. It s impossible to justify this kind of policing. It has exceeded it's brief and infringed important human rights.

The Labour government set up those groups following September 11, when the world was rightly obsessed with terrorism. No sensible person can object to the police taking a close interest in suspected terrorist groups: if they did not infiltrate the local al Qaeda cell, they would not be doing their job. But these are not terrorist groups.

It is true that Greenpeace and the peace groups and animal welfare lobbies that Gilchrist infiltrated sometimes break the law. Greenpeace's attempt to block the sailing of a coal ship from Lyttleton harbour may well have been illegal, and Greenpeace cheerfully admits it sometimes breaks the law. So does the Happy Valley protest group. They plead a wider brief: they break the law to highlight some greater evil.

Blockading coal ships and trains and digging up Solid Energy's from lawn, in any case, do not amount to terrorism and nor are they a threat to national security. They are acts of civil disobedience that have for a long time been treated with a certain tolerance by the authorities. It may well infuriate politicians or officials when protesters sit down on a motorway, for example, and it might well cause annoyance to the public. But most people recognise that these kinds of activities, provided they don't go too far, are part of the life of a democracy.

The right to protest is a fundamental part of that democracy, and infiltrating a protest group has a chilling effect not only on the members but on wider society. If people think police routinely place informers within these groups, many will be more reluctant to get involved and exercise their right to dissent. Long-term surveillance of protest groups is a fundamental breach of our rights to free speech and association. So police must not do it unless there is an extremely cogent reason that will stand up to outside scrutiny.

Gilchrist himself has shown that there were no such grounds for his long stint as a police informer. After all that time, he concludes that the protesters were "good people trying to make a better world", and he is sorry for what he has done. As an epitaph for this whole sorry episode these words are hard to beat.

What has happened, it seems, is that the local people have overreacted to the threat of terrorism, as politicians and officials have done in many other western countries.It's a familiar pattern. Amid the understandable horror at the mass murder at the Twin Towers, governments sacrificed important liberties to an imagines "security". Perhaps the worst excesses took place in the United States, where the Bush administration permitted torture of suspects and then denied it had done so. Waterboarding is torture: ask John McCain, who knows about torture. The Bush regime also permitted men to be held at Guantanamo Bay without the benefit of habeas corpus and other basic parts of the western justice system, and incurred the wrath of the US Supreme Court.

The case of Rob Gilchrist pales in comparison twith these dreadful acts, but it is part of the same panicked over-reaction to genuine terrorism. The worrying thought remains: how many other such informants do the police have ?

Sunday Star Times, December 14, 2008, page A9