Author challenges fisherman on whale and seal hunting
Marine biologist and author C. George Muller has hit back at comments made by fishing identity Peter Talley supporting hunting whales and seals. Calling the comments made during a speech to local school children “ill-considered and inaccurate”, Muller says Talley has no evidence to support any of his statements.
Talley’s claim Japan should be allowed to hunt whales because they were doing it sustainably is sadly misinformed. There is no evidence for the alleged “sustainability” of Japanese whaling. In fact, despite Japan’s insistence that there are plenty of whales given the Southern Hemisphere minke whale population numbers over 760,000 animals, these figures have been discredited by scientists and withdrawn by the International Whaling Commission’s Scientific Committee. Research has shown that minke numbers are closer to 250,000 – less than a third of those claimed – and the IWC has repeatedly called for Japan to end its hunt. Furthermore, scientific research has shown that the minke whale population is further subdivided into three separate species, and then into local and regional populations with little inter-migration between them. This means even a very small kill could result in localised extinction in a particular area. Japan’s plans to expand its kill to include species classified as endangered and vulnerable makes a mockery of any claims of sustainability.
Past commercial whaling was characterised by a serial depletion of one whale stock after another, and massive illegal and unreported kills of over 90,000 whales which drove many of the larger species to the verge of extinction. Despite over forty years of protection, Southern Hemisphere Blue whales still number as few as 400 animals, and may never recover. As Muller points out, “We have only to consider the lessons of history to see whaling is not sustainable – particularly when “managed” by the industry responsible for exploiting it.”
Muller also takes issue with Talley’s suggestion that seals should not be protected because they catch more fish than fishermen (in particular hoki and cod), along with his regular calls for a cull to reduce numbers.
Muller points out that New Zealand fur seals were hunted almost to extinction in past centuries and since attaining protected status over 100 years ago have managed to recover to just 10-15% of their estimated pre-exploitation population in that time. Talley’s frequent claims of fur seal population explosion are wildly over exaggerated and are not based on any sound science or accurate survey methods, as are his claims they catch more fish than fishermen.
While ashore in the breeding season fur seals fast for weeks and even months at a time, and in many areas fur seals don’t even eat commercial fish stocks, preferring species such as 10-15cm long Myctophids (lanternfish) and octopus. Hoki is not normally a major component in fur seal diet since the deep-water fish live further down than most individuals can dive. It is only when the hoki are brought up in nets that they come within reach of most fur seals.
Talley’s allegations that seals eat too many fish are not only false, but disingenuous. As Muller points out, these ecosystems functioned perfectly well when there were ten times as many fur seals present in New Zealand. The difference now is obvious – and Mr Talley and other fishermen need look no further than their own mirrors to see the cause of declining fisheries.
Due to its extractive nature the fishing industry is inherently unsustainable. Many fisheries around the world are in trouble due to overexploitation, and New Zealand is no exception. Talley’s comments are nothing more than the latest chapter in a long line of self-serving propaganda attempting to point the blame elsewhere. He appears to like stirring up controversy in a bid to gain support for his position by implying he is the innocent victim of a conspiracy by radical “greenies”. This ignores the fact that concern for the environment and the future we leave for our children is not a radical belief, but a sensible and responsible attitude shared by a majority of New Zealanders from all walks of life.
Muller says Talley’s attempts to attach a monetary value to the Omega-3 oil content in fur seals clearly shows where his priorities lie – and completely ignores the value of live whales and seals to the tourism economy of New Zealand, an industry worth far more than fishing.
While stopping short of calling for a public boycott of Talleys’ products, Muller says “People should make up their own mind about whether they want to support the lifestyle of a fisheries magnate who lives in a private mansion and likes to pass ill-considered judgement condemning anything he perceives as a threat to his revenue stream.”
(C. George Muller is a New Zealand wildlife biologist with experience in scientific research on whales, dolphins and seals in New Zealand, including a masters degree in marine biology, plus numerous marine mammal publishing credits in scientific journals. He has advised government DoC staff on seal handling and survey techniques, and has also written Echoes in the Blue, a recently-published book on whaling in the Southern Ocean).
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Re: Author challenges fisherman on whale and seal hunting
Peter Talley's statements are self serving nonsense with no scientific support whatsoever. Perhaps if he read Mr Muller's book, as everyone should, he would learn a little.
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Talley speech leads to calls for boycott
By VANESSA PHILLIPS - The Nelson Mail | Tuesday, 27 March 2007
A boycott of Talley's Fisheries products has been called for, following controversial comments by its Motueka-based managing director about whaling and animal rights.
Peter Talley's comments to more than 200 high school students have attracted a wave of reaction from readers on Fairfax's website Stuff.co.nz, with many saying they were horrified that he was in favour of killing whales and seals.
Others supported his comments.
Several readers called for a boycott of Talley's products, an idea backed by Nelson's former world champion kiteboarder Cindy Mosey.
Ms Mosey said she was appalled by Mr Talley's comments but they were not surprising. She said that if New Zealanders did not like his comments, they could boycott Talley's products.
Mr Talley told a Motueka High School-organised leadership forum last Friday that Japan should be allowed to hunt whales because it was doing so sustainably.
He also said seals should not be protected, because they caught more fish than inshore fishermen, particularly hoki and cod. He said humans should have more rights than seals, which were a "very destructive animal".
The Nelson Mail was told on Tuesday that Mr Talley was out of the country on business and unavailable for comment.
However, his son Andrew, a Talley's Fisheries director, said in a statement that his father's comments to the forum had to be seen in context.
"He was provoking thought amongst a group of school seniors. The main message was, as potential young leaders, to form their own views and be prepared to challenge some of the information that the public is so often `spoon fed'.
"It wasn't to have them leave the room as converted meat-eaters."
Andrew Talley said sustainable use of all marine resources, including whales and seals, was a view strongly objectionable to some and palatable to others.
"It's not so much whether it's objectionable or palatable - that's a personal preference - but that as young adults, they form their own view on balanced and factual information.
"Too often in that debate, particularly around issues of sustainability, misinformation leads to poor decision-making and unbalanced views."
Andrew Talley said questions about animal rights put to his father at the forum centred on the equality of human rights and animal rights.
"Again in context, his response was not about dismissing animal rights but prioritising them. The food chain is hierarchical - the right to sustainably utilise animals as a food source is one that some people challenge and others defend.
"He was defending it. Again, that's a matter of personal preference."
While Peter Talley's comments raised the ire of some Fairfax readers - including one who stated that he had a warped view of reality, and another questioning how sustainable Talley's Fisheries was - some congratulated him for "having the balls to tell it as he sees it and stick it to the PC, greenie brigade".
"Good on Peter Talley. About time someone told the other side of all the green rubbish that gets taught these days," one reader wrote.
However, Nelson marine biologist George Muller, the author of a new book on whaling in the Southern Ocean, on Tuesday hit back at Mr Talley's comments, calling them "ill-considered and inaccurate".
Mr Muller said there was no evidence for the sustainability of Japanese whaling. He also said Mr Talley's claims of a seal population explosion were exaggerated.
Re: Author challenges fisherman on whale and seal hunting
Did anyone notice what happened to Charlie Peterson from Fed Farmers after his similar twisted rant.
He got labelled a ranting loonie, got angrier and angrier and got hospitalised with a heart attack last week.
We've got the moral high ground here my friends!
Re: Author challenges fisherman on whale and seal hunting
remember as well that this is the man who was mentioned in the hollow men for being involved with giving the national party $1million for something. he is extremely anti-environment, preferring to spend his hardfought for cash on a sealevel mansion. thankfully, once the seas rise it will be amongst the first to go.
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