Animal rights activists preparing to protest meat conference
Between March 29 and 31, 2007, animal rights activists will converge on Poneke/Wellington, to disrupt and protest the annual meat industry conference.
The Wellington Animal Rights Network is inviting activists from around the country to come to Wellington for three days of protests and other events during the meat conference.
Thursday 29th March: Vegan dinner
Friday March 30th: Protest at the opening of the conference
Saturday 31st March: 11am main protest against the Meat Industry Conference | 6:30pm Protest outside parliament as the Meat Industry Gala Dinner
Links: Auckland Animal Action | Arkangel (New Zealand) | Exposing Poultry Fraud | Campaign Against Factory Farming | SAFE | Meat Conference Website
On March 30th and 31st, New Zealand meat industry leaders are meeting in Wellington to celebrate the 125th anniversary of the first frozen meat exports. We don't think the meat industries contribution to animal cruelty, global warming and environmental destruction is anything to celebrate, so we plan to oppose the conference and the meat industry.
The Wellington Animal Rights Network is inviting activists from around the country to come to Wellington for three days of protests and other events during the meat conference.
Reasons to oppose the meat industry
1. The meat industry is responsible for animal cruelty.
Every year New Zealand slaughters around 24 million lambs, 2.2 million beef cattle, 1 million dairy calves, 750,000 deer, 350,000 pigs, 67 million chickens, and three quarters of a million tonnes of fishes.
Many of these animals have endured appalling lives. Broiler chickens are crowded into huge dark sheds and killed at only a few weeks of age. Thousands of pregnant sows endure boredom and frustration, biting at the bars of stalls too cramped to allow them to turn around. Sheep and cattle suffer from invasive procedures like castration, artificial insemination, tail docking etc. Every second of every minute of every day, an animal dies a horrible violent death in a slaughterhouse. There is no such thing as `humane slaughter'.
2. The Meat industry contributes to global warming
Methane emissions from ruminant livestock (cattle, sheep, deer and goats) are a primary source of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions, accounting for 31.8 percent of our total emissions. Nitrous oxide emissions are also a waste by-product of agriculture, arising from processes of nitrification and denitrification in the soil. The major source of nitrogen for these processes is animal waste(urine and dung). Nitrous oxide emissions are also associated with use of nitrogen-based fertilisers, including the run-off and leaching contributions. As the government fully supports the animal agriculture industry, we shouldn't expect them to highlight the industries contribution to global warming anytime soon.
3. Meat is bad for our health
The Meat Industry puts a huge amount of effort into convincing us that meat is good for your health but the opposite is true. From chicken dinners and cheese to fast-food burgers and fish fillets, animal products have none of the fibre and anti-oxidants that we need to stay healthy. But they are loaded with saturated fat, cholesterol, chemicals and contaminants like E.coli and salmonella. Eating meat, dairy products and eggs contributes to obesity, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, impotence, osteoporosis and many other illnesses.
Studies have shown that vegetarians have stronger immune systems than meat-eaters, and only 40 percent of their cancer rate. A 21 year old long study comparing meat eaters and vegetarians showed that the greater the meat consumption, the greater the death rate from all causes combined.
If you oppose cruelty, if you want a world where animals and the planet are treated with respect, if you want to make a stand against the meat industry, come along to the following events:
Thursday 29th March. Vegan dinner, St Johns Church Hall, Corner Dixon and Willis Streets, Wellington. Starts 7pm, costs $10/$8 unwaged.
Yummy vegan food, dessert, inspiring speakers to be announced, and a film.
Friday March 30th 8.30am Protest at the opening of the conference. Outside Te Papa Tongarewa Museum.
Saturday March 31st
11am main protest against the Meat Industry Conference. Outside Te Papa Tongarewa Museum. Bring noisemakers, banners etc
Protest outside parliament as the Meat Industry Gala Dinner, Parliament Buildings, 6.30pm start
Other events to be announced will take place throughout the Friday and Saturday.
For more information contact:
Wellington Animal Rights Network
PO Box 6387 Wellington 6141
Ph 04 3856728
email nzarinfo@gmail.com
Comments
Re: Animal rights activists preparing to protest meat conference
"Methane emissions from ruminant livestock (cattle, sheep, deer and goats) are a primary source of New Zealand's greenhouse gas emissions, accounting for 31.8 percent of our total"
The majority of ruminant livestock greenhouse gas emissions are from dairy cows - not technically a part of the Meat Industry (Dirty Dairy is actually FAR worse for the environment and also cruel in it's own manner.)
The actually figure for greenhouse gas emissions is also actually closer to around 52%-58% of our greenhouse gas emissions. I think you're not using the "carbon-equivalent" statistics (methane is a lot worse than carbon) and the carbon equivalent for some agricultural chemicals is even higher.
Climate flunky.
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Actually the Dairy Industry is part of the Meat Industry! Very much so...
Cows only give milk after they have a baby - what do you think happens to the Cows baby? It becomes meat!
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yup we stole those stats from the Govts climate change website so its likely to be the msot conservative estimate
WARN
References
I like your article. Do you have references for the statistics you quote? Especially the ones about longevity. I would be interested in reading about those.
Thanks.
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have a great protest!make heaps of noise for the animals...
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Instead of worrying about animal rights I rather lick a woman's pussy while she sucks me. Hell it is delightful and satisfying.
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I enjoy licking pussy while mine gets licked too. Without doubt much more pleasurable, enjoyable and entertaining than animal liberationist.
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The only reason why I quit eating meat is because of the things they are fed with; even vegetation is still not safe after all the chemicals rained down from polluted emission.
I don't have any feelings towards animals when humans are dying of starvation.
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eating animals does not stop humans dying of starvation. human starvation is made worse by eating meat as beef is less land-efficient than vegetables. human starvation is a result of inequality and the type of organisation not of scarcity. there is enough food for people to eat the problem is that there is no profit in feeding people. more money is made by wasting food to inflate prices.
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You could also take John Wesley's view and become a vegetarian because it is cheaper than eating meat, then donate the difference to the starving. Whichever way you look at it, being vegan is the ethical alternative.
Phil
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Being a vegetarian doesn't mean to feel sorry for animals. I'm vegitarian and I don't mind if people it meat.
One problem - mentioned before - with eating meat nowadays is that you need 10 kgs of plants to feed it to animals who end up being abou 1 kg meat.
It also has an enviromental impact to use former rainforest areas to have space for cattle to graze and it enlarges the ozone hole to have more cattle on earth (25 percnet, as far is i know, caused by ridicolous amount of cattle on our planet)
So I don't mind if people eat meat ones we've solved all these problems, live in a happy permaculture socialism and meta-eaters don't slaughter animals somewhere close to me (find it disgusting)
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"1. The meat industry is responsible for animal cruelty."
Nature is just as cruel. Ever watch the national geographic channel?
"2. The Meat industry contributes to global warming "
The biggest contributers to global warming are people. People who drive cars. Do you drive a car?
Does the company you work for contribute to global warming? If so then so do you.
"3. Meat is bad for our health"
So is everything else. The air is bad for my health due to the pollution ...does this mean I should stop breathing?
I'm all for non-gmo non-steriodal meat. But to give up meat is crazy. We EVOLVED to our present form from eating meat. And this present form gives you the choice not to eat me. So be thankful that humans in general are meat eaters.
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The comment that we have evolved to eat meat is incorrect. We have neither the correct dental, nor the digestive system. The reason colon cancer is so prevalent in the west is directly related to the consumption of animal flesh. Our teeth are way too small and our intestines way too long.
The colon is another name for the large intestine, which makes up the second half of our digestive tract. Strong links have been found between the consumption of meats and other fatty foods and colon cancer. When the past diets of cancer patients are studied, it is clear that meat-based Western diets are linked to colon cancer. Comparisons of countries with different rates of colon cancer have supported this finding.
In order to absorb the fats we eat, our liver makes bile, which it stores in the gallbladder. After a meal, the gallbladder squirts bile acids into the intestine, where they chemically modify the fats eaten so they can be absorbed. Unfortunately, bacteria in the intestine turn these bile acids into cancer-promoting substances called secondary bile acids. Meats not only contain a substantial amount of fat; they also foster the growth of bacteria that cause carcinogenic secondary bile acids to form. When meat is cooked, carcinogens can form on the surface of the food. As with breast cancer, frequent consumption of meat is associated with an increased risk of colon cancer, particularly that of red meat.
High-fibre diets offer a measure of protection. Fibre greatly speeds the passage of food through the colon, effectively removing carcinogens. Fibre actually changes the type of bacteria that are present in the intestine, so there is reduced production of carcinogenic secondary bile acids. Fibre also absorbs and dilutes bile acids.
Per head of population, New Zealand has some of highest rates of cancer, heart disease and stroke in the world. It is also one of the largest meat and dairy producers and has the second highest meat and dairy consumption worldwide. New Zealand makes an awful lot of money from these industries, but if you look in every hospital in the country, you’ll find wards full of heart attack, cancer and stroke patients, most of whom are there due to their diet. It is costing us untold amounts in both money and human emotion. There are people who live to a ripe old age, but just look at all the pills they consume to somewhat control their cholesterol levels, their blood pressure, their angina and who knows what other diet related and induced illnesses.
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The graffiti on the sign is mad juvenile, mmmm'k.
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its bloody brilliant!!!
i wish i could go but unfortunately am unable to travel to welly for it
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Like I said, the sign graffiti is mad juvenile, on some Do Too! Do Not! Do Too! tip, mmmm'k?
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I quit eating seeds because I think the world will one day be short of them (particularly the untainted variety), and we will look back with regret at the billions of seeds we so flippantly shoved down our gullets.
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animals do not exploit each other for greed. they eat each other when they have to in order to survive. people farm animals for profit, for greed. eating meat is not healthy. you do not have to eat meat.
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animals do not exploit each other for greed. they eat each other when they have to in order to survive. people farm animals for profit, for greed. eating meat is not healthy. you do not have to eat meat.
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Ugh.
Ideological nausea coming on.
Eating meat *per se* presupposes neither cruelty nor unhealthiness. Those assumptions may apply within the context of industrial capitalism, but absolutizing them into such slogans as "Meat is Murder" is ridiculous and false, not to mention insulting toward different lifeways, eg certain indigenous peoples, where meat-eating is culturally valued.
Meat eating is not inherently unhealthy, as proven by the robust health of numerous, pre-industrial and pre-"civilized" human groups whose diet included meat -- in less artificial and more natural circumstances.
Neither is meat eating inherently cruel. Contrary to your general statement "There is no humane slaughter", many past and present indigneous groups view and enact the act of killing an animal with a profound sense of respect and reverence. Much more so than the human abortion factories which so many liberal/leftists champion.
Ultimately your position, partial and single-issue, is contradictory. Do you not see that the vegetables, tofu, mineral supplements etc. which you propose we all eat instead also involve a large degree of exploitation and repression, both animal and human, and environmental degradation?
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The protests are not actually about eating meat per se. They are about eating meat in 21st century New Zealand. I find it very hard to believe that traditional people, no matter how many prayers they made or how much they beat their breasts and suffered agonies of conscience, could dispatch any animal humanely. But whether they could or not misses the point. Some cultures had to eat meat for surivival. Some possibly still do. Ours is not one of them. And to produce meat in the quantities we have come to expect cannot be done without a great deal of cruelty, both in the rearing and the killing.
Nature can indeed be cruel. It can also be kind; the wild cat licking her kittens and purring is as much part of nature as the same cat hunting for its survival.
Human morality is supposed to rise above nature. But if we continue to kill in cruel fashion, not for survival like the wild animals do, but for gluttony and avarice, then we are not only failing to rise above nature, we are sinking below it.
And concerning health; a little bit of meat as part of a balanced diet is not going to kill you. Eating huge slabs fo fatty meat, in the way we do in New Zealand certaily is. Comparing the health effect of our meat eating lifestyle with breathing air, is quite ludicrous, unless of course the air is contaminated with the ammonia and dust produced in a factory farm.
Phil
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Of course I agree that the meat industry, a source of untold misery, should be abolished entirely. Indeed I probably favour more direct, "extreme" methods of going about this than yourself but that's beside the point.
You cannot deny that animal activist groups like yourself put across a rather dogmatic morality that eating meat is inherently cruel and/or unhealthy -- regardless of context, method etc. Which unnecessarily turns off a lot of folk right from the start. Yes, industrial society is dominant, but some individuals and groups, here included, reject and attempt to live insofar as possible outside it -- something that predominantly white, middle-class vegans are wilfully ignorant towards.
Your comments about human morality are slightly ambiguous but infer that human cultures which consume meat out of natural necessity are somehow immoral, not fully human, or at the level of mere nature or animals. This conclusion would follow from your apparently dualistic philosophy ("human morality rises above nature") which divides human beings in a rational and an animal part, while denying or subordinating the latter. An Enlightenment idea from which follows the domination of the natural and animal worlds, and ultimately human beings, by human beings.
Nobody has addressed the contradiction I pointed out before -- that in our mass industrial society, a great amount of both animal and human exploitation and repression, and environmental destruction, is necessary to grow and manufacture the vegetables, tofu, mineral suplements etc that you yourselves will be consuming at the pre-dinner. My problem with this is not so much its hypocrisy but the failure to see and challenge the whole system which makes this hypocrisy inevitable.
-CD
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Who cares about animal liberation? Frottage, frot, tribadism or intercrural/interfermoral, mammary, axillary/bagpiping intercourse is much more fun!
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Yes, and other groups have viewed human sacrifice with respect and reverence. Really doesn't help the victim much in either case.
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Does anyone know some useful NZ statistics about resource inefficiency in meat production? I tried on the whole "it's wasteful and inefficient to produce meat" once, and was countered with the argument that NZ does not grain-feed its cattle, and a lot of the farming land used for grazing is hilly and consequently no good for anything but grazing.
Any ideas of rebuttals? I see that vegsoc.org.nz mentions that NZ could support a population increase of 10000% if everyone ate a plant-based diet, but I can find no reference.
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I do not want to be known as Mrs Miserable for 2007 but to keep seeing the people involved in animal rights doing the same thing year after year is getting a bit past it. I am 72 years old and, as a child, I remember my mother giving money to an anti-vivisection organisation called The Auckland Branch of the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection. It changed its name, in 1978, to Save Animals from Experiments. Now it is known as Save Animals from Exploitation i.e. SAFE. If at least 70 years of giving money and protesting for animal rights has not solved this problem, surely it is time to look in other directions? Can it be explained where all the money over the past 70 years has gone? How much is being spent on administration and how much is being spent on campaigning for animal rights? How much is being spent on billboard adverts? If this continues my children and my grandchildren will be asked to give money. Now is the time to find another solution as giving money and protesting is not solving the problem at all.
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If anyone wants to see were the money goes with SAFE just go to http://www.companies.govt.nz/cms/banner_template/OBNAME and type in Save Animals from Exploitation. There anyone will find SAFE's annual financial reports to look at and make their own judgements about. Were the rest of the money goes with the other organisations like: WERN, NZAVS, CAFF, AAA, HARD, etc - who knows? I can't find any reliable verification what these groups do with their money anywhere in the public domain. Perhaps someone else will have better luck in finding something.
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I think WERN is suppose to be WARN. Still, good point in where does the cash go? Can we have some confirmation, please, from a trustworthy source? Plus about the other outfits. It would be much welcomed.
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I can't speak for the other groups mentioned, but if anyone wants to know where CAFF money is going to, feel free to call me on 021 064 6909, or email me at exposingpoultryfraud at yahoo.com.au.
It seems every animal rights posting here degenerates into a slanging match - not between animal liberationists and animal abusers (that would be understandable), but among animal liberationists. I am sure the vivisectors and factory farmers are rubbing their hands in glee knowing we are spending so much of the energy that should be going into ending animal abuse instead attacking each other.
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Thank you for the invite Phil. Nice to see that you are up front about how CAFF uses it money.
(It's good to see SAFE providing accounting reports via a govt internet site, too.)
I think the best way to avoid a slanging match is to be as objective as possible by providing pictures, reliable/independent internet links and not getting personal. You have already provided a link to a govt web page which is reliable enough for me.
Keep up the good work, Phil!
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If no one can find any accounts for these and other animal rights groups or none are forthcoming then my advice is for people to invest their money, time and energy into other ventures. I suggest into ventures where you have a better understanding where the cash goes. That way you will be less likely to be ripped off. The www.companies.govt.nz is a good place to start to find what organisations do with the money that they have. Another is www.nzx.com or sort out advice from a stock broker, accountant, your bank or a reliable financial advisor. Good luck!
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Seeking dependable advice is a tremendously good idea about money. Personally, I don’t bother donating my hard earned cash to charities unless I’ve read their financial records going back at least three years and then only if I get a tax rebate from IRD. I hope the new government legislation will clean up the charity industry and the dubious ones get cleaned out.
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Go to: http://www.register.charities.govt.nz/Public/Search/SearchCharityRegiste..., http://www.ird.govt.nz/charitable-organisations/chart-orgs-commission.html, http://www.ird.govt.nz/charitable-organisations/ and http://www.charities.govt.nz/ for more info about charities.
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If people are unhappy continuing to support AR groups check out www.childhelplineinternational.org and www.whatsup.co.nz to see if these are more noble organisations to fund?
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I and many others have tried to get people to change their minds and ways but unfortunately so many have been programmed by the privileged few in power within the animal rights movement that nothing new is being done. See: http://indymedia.org.nz/feature/display/71613/index.php, http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/72469/index.php, http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/72238/index.php and http://indymedia.org.nz/newswire/display/72233/index.php to see. In the process the people in power within the animal rights movement keep themselves in power and in money. Which leads to more and more of our animal chums being slaughter, so further of the privileged few can make mega-bucks from them. I wouldn’t be surprised that it came out, in the future, that big business in the meat industry pays the people in power in the animal right movement to do very little except meagre billboard advertising, piteous protest action and the juvenile performance that ALF does. All very, very disappointing!
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Running over the same old ground, finding the same old fears and going around in circles does NOT work!
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Déjà vu!!!!! No doubt it’ll be the same in 2008, 2009, 2010………!!!!!
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Let us try and stay with the facts people. Keep the pictures coming.
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here we go again ,the same knob posting anti AR commentsyour obviously full of shit,given yr math ,yr 72 yrs of age and yr mother donated to BUAV when you were a child,well BUAV wasnt even in NZ back then...
auswi
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The Parliamentary commissioner for the environment published an informative report on the New Zealand situation regrding animal agriculture in 2004. Try here:
http://www.pce.govt.nz/reports/allreports/1_877274_45_3.shtml
Phil
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Good one! Keep the internet links like the one above coming.
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The BUAV was in NZ back then. Check out the Safe internet site http://www.safe.org.nz/About-Safe/ for evidence.
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Who cares about SAFE? It's a well known dystopia anyway.
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Yup, Safe is an unplesant place to work for. While the director goes out for long five hour lunches or to play at the casino during the day or turns up to work hung over us staff have to use food banks and need income support.
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A pro-AR person name calling? I hope your childish outburst makes you feel better.
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Childish outburst? More like a psychotic episode. Part of psychosis is believing in something that doesn’t exist. I can't see were this same knob drivel is coming from.
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It’s a shame to see that some people get so involved with animal rights that they forget the basics about it like compassion. That includes our own species. I don’t think and feel calling some one a knob and swearing counts as being compassionate.
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nice 2 c safe's web page being used against them. it states that "in 1932, an anti-vivisection organisation called The Auckland Branch of the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection was formed in Auckland, New Zealand". this is 75 yrs ago so a 72 yr old wood know about it. s0ry da grumpy person that is into ar u lose!
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these anti AR posts are not coming from AR activists or fellow animal lovers ,they are from the same pathetic individual who everytime theres a AR post on this board does his/her pathetic posts
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Prove it or your comment has no foundation in fact.
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Oh no, more name calling. What a pity. Surely you can do better. I advise sticking to the facts by providing pictures, reliable interenet links and not getting personal. If you do that I'm in no doubt you will go far and have many other people's respect.
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Very enlightened calling someone pathetic - not!
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Insults, like calling Safe a dystopia or calling people a knob and pathetic, isn't wanted or needed since it isn't helpful.
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Cacotopia/kakotopia here we come with vegans wearing jackboots stormtrooping???!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia
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The lynch pin for animal rights is guilt. If you allow yourself to feel guilty about: eating meat, drinking milk from an animal, wearing fur and leather, experiments being done on animals, etc then you open yourself up to being manipulated by the animal rights philosophy and the industry that comes with it. However, if you don’t care what happens to the animals in places like labs, freezing works and factories then all of it won’t work. I find any guilt argument shallow and too emotional, so I don’t allow myself to be dominated by it. Other arguments that people involved with the animal rights cause use are usually based on ethics which are highly subjective, so I don’t have much time for that either. At the end of the day it all boils down to how willing you are to be manipulated. If you have a low tolerance for manipulation by emotional and highly subjective arguments then all of the animal rights stuff doesn’t work.
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I disagree with this last post,my wife (an ardent anti -vivisectionist and vegetarian)merely presented me with facts and i made my mind up,hence i am now a vegetarian and anti vivisectionist on the grounds that it is scientifically invalid and does nothing to aleive human diseases.Whether you eat meat ,you must agree that factory farming is grossly cruel.
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Grossly cruel is a judgement term, hence highly subjective. The rest is debatable as if it is helpful to human suffering or not as more science needs to be done.
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Highly subjective is a judgement term and hence highly subjective. So your own argument is self-contradictory and therefore false.
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Sarcasm is unattractive.
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If experimenting on animals is scientifically invalid then can we have some solid verification please? Preferably from medical/scientific journals that are peer reviewed. Surely there are internet pages that people can provide links to.
Re: peer revewed studies
Try these for starters. Once you have read and assimilated these I can find some more peer reviewed studies. The references below are from the British Medical Journal, which as you know is one of the best medical journals in the world. Interestingly, the media and popular science magazines ignored this academically rigorous research, though they are quite willing to give front page space to any half-baked drivel about a cure for cancer being "just around the corner" thanks to animal testing. They then conveniently forget the story when the promise cure fails to eventuate.
P. Perel, I. Roberts, E. Sena, P. Wheble, C. Briscoe, P. Sandercock, M. Macleod, L.E. Mignini, P. Jayaram, K.S. Khan, "Comparison of treatment effects between animal experiments and clinical trials: systematic review", British Medical Journal Online First (15 December 2006). http://www.bmj.com/cgi/rapidpdf/bmj.39048.407928.BEv1 [Accessed 12 January 2007]. Pandora Pound, Shah Ebrahim, Peter Sandercock, Michael B. Bracken, and Ian Roberts, "Where is the evidence that animal research benefits humans?", British Medical Journal 328 (2004): 514 – 517.
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Yeep pee, about time proof like this appeared here - instead of the usual: jeers, abuse, opinions, childish comments, etc. Don't be frightened to supply more proof like this!
(You get a big thumps up from me.)
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Great work! Keep it up!
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I go along with that the central tool that animal rights use is emotional manipulation by guilt. I was involved with it some time ago and when I reached to a decision that I do not care about this topic then it become powerless. [From that the people involved missed out on getting my money, time and energy.]
This is the same about any other subject like: human rights, workers rights, crime, war, what you see on the television, what you hear on the radio, what you read on billboards, what junk mail gets put into your post box or email inbox or get exposed to in any other method. If you make a decision that you do not care about any subject then it is powerless over you, so it does not work.
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I have the same opinion with the statement that it is how willing you are manipulated emotionally, intellectually or otherwise if a philosophy works for you or not. If it doesn’t then the people involved with that philosophy don’t hold any power over you. (Not unless they force you at gun point or by legal means. If they do try to dominate you by legal means there are ways around it but at gun point you are f*#ked.)
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you must a pretty callous person if you think factory farming is "subjective"so its just a a lie is it a fraud that the AR movement has made up.
michelle
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Trying to make me and others feel guilty again? I can't speak for the others but the guilt trip doesn't work for me as it's too shallow for my liking. Feel free to try again with another tactic.
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What I don’t like about animal rights activists, like any other activist, is that they try and do my thinking and feeling for me. I’ve got my own mind and I like to use it to make my own choices.
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the above post made me laugh ,pure drivel
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what a weird posting directly above ,no wonder ar isn't taken seriously
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More infantile heckling from the pro-ar camp. Just goes to show someone’s true nature! I leave it up to individuals to decide what that is.
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I don’t think it’s a pro-animal rights person writing: "the above post made me laugh, pure drivel". I think it’s someone pretending to be pro-animal rights and is putting grumpy postings here to discredit the animal rights movement. However, with no corroboration...
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I wouldn’t be surprised if this offensive person who calls others: knobs, pathetic, pure drivel, etc is that sleazy creep who sits in Armagh St, Chch, playing mind games on the internet all day while he is suppose to be working. Stop it since you are only doing harm to the animal rights cause! We know who you are! The biggest losers in this behaviour are our animal buddies. While you are pissing others off with your juvenile comments it is they that are continuing to be abused and slaughtered in labs, abattoirs, factory and other farms by uncaring people. This isn’t enlightened behaviour! Grow up or get lost!
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It is a shame that it takes only one nut job to ruin it for the rest. No doubt once he has finished playing on the internet he will be off to play at the CHCH casino and then to play with the hookers that work on Manchester Street close to were he works.
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I think the best way to combat this person is what has already been suggested: sticking to the facts by providing objective evidence from a reliable source and not getting personal. It has been done by some as a web link to a govt site and to a peer reviewed medical journal has already been given. That way people can make what they will with the proof. Keep it up!!!
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I do not like animal rights activists either. They are trying to turn NZ into more of a nanny/police state by taking away our choice to: eat meat, drink animal milk, have honey and wear leather or fur.
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ar is emotionally based. that's why i tell people that are involved with it to f off. they aren't getting any of my money and support.
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All ethical arguments are emotionally based, as well as being based on reason. If you don't have any ethical intuition, sense of right or wrong, anger, empathy, sadness or outrage then of course no ethical argument will ever reach you. But then I would argue that you are not fully human.
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The guilt trip again with taunts. Doesn’t get my respect.
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What is wrong with not being human? I thought animal rights’ was about trying to get people to be more than human by getting them to be more considerate towards others and the animals that we share planet Earth with.
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It looks like Phil the vegan’s prediction has come true: this forum has now degenerated into a slanging match between the animal liberationists. No wonder animal liberation is considered a joke in mainstream society. I do feel sorry for the people, like Phil, that have tried to inject some professionalism into the animal liberation movement by providing solid information. However, sadly, the kiddies have spoiled it once more.
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theres no slanging match between AR ppl here ,you must be reading it wrong.Everytime theres a AR post on here ,a certain indiviual(s)do their best to undermine,dis credit and post juvenile writings.
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You don't contribute to it by ridiculous impertinent remarks do you?
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Here we go again. Don't you ever learn to shut up?
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See my point? The kiddies are playing again. It might pay for people that are involved with animal rights to stick to the animal rights forums like at www.aucklandanimalaction.org.nz instead of putting up with kids dicking around here. It least they are controlled by moderators with harder policies on infantile postings. It is disappointing that animal rights attracts BIG BABIES that wreck it for others. Most unfortunate!
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Have a great protest folks. Don’t expect to change much if anything overnight but have some fun. Ignore the puerile dribble that has been posted here.
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yes be loud and proud for the animals,we are there only voice,do enjoy yourself and be creative!
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Here, here!
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Creative, inventive and innovative behaviour is the best way to beat deja vu.
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What a bunch of stupid pillocks. Using the personal illness - about which you know precisely nothing - of Federated Farmer President Charlie Pedersen to promote your naive cause as any good but blithely ill-informed and ideological zealot would.cause
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Why is everyone anonymous on here? are commies all just a bunch of 11 year old kids sitting on their computer looking at porn?
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Yet another unenlightened juvenile remark from the right. No wonder they are thought of as unstabled loons. Go back to the NF site where infantile knobs like yourself belong.
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So much for intelligent and insightful debate here.
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Congratulations. There are more of us out there than people believe who find the murder of animals disgusting just so people can eat meat. Any awareness of bringing people to think about what they are doing by eating flesh is a step forward.
And yet us vegetarians come up against people who get really angry when we say we dont eat meat. We get the usual but lettuces are alive spiel. I always take heart at that because the more violent they react the more I know they know they are doing wrong but just havent accepted it yet.
I have been lobbying Woolworths about their awful beef farming advert on TV where he says they have a good life before they get sent off. It is this attitude we have to get rid off and realise no living creature deserves to go what those animals go through.
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Has anyone noticed that the comments by meat eaters are not very easy to understand? Guess that is what happens when you have meat rotting in your stomach for up to a week. Dulls the brain as well.
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Meat is good to eat especially if its still alive. Eat me out bitch!
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Charming!? Just goes to show how dumb some people are.
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"""Why is everyone anonymous on here? are commies all just a bunch of 11 year old kids sitting on their computer looking at porn? """"
actually we have to all post anon as it was the filthy cunt Clare who dreamed up the only way to keep dk off her private freespeech webshite,,, which didn't even work!! as he is still here.
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swearing is very unenlightened!
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I wish dk 2 sux my cock and then die!!!!!!!!!!!
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They would enjoy sucking you since he does that for a job.
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dk suxs penis while looking at 11 yr olds doing porn
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dk luvs ar activists so much that they will take it up the arse for them!!!!!!!!!
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dk enjoys 11 yr olds suxin' their cock!!!!!!!!
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Who is the moron on here who keeps on looking down their nose whenever someone posts something remotely tounge in cheek let alone swears? Whoever the fuck you are get over yourself.
Fucking Cunt.
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It is dk: the guy that acts with 11 year old children porn stars for big dollars.
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I think it's dk doing his usual annoying comments, especially with AR postings, as well. Get lost you sleazy creep!
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dk has no friends so they hang around here masturbating.
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seen the fucking fat faced capitalist wankers on their conference website...raping the earth and slaughtering animals,lining their pockets with tainted money
northen hemisphere activist
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What a lot of ranting and raving!!!! No wonder AR activists are thought of as potty!!!!
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to be blind to the rights of animals is 'potty.' they are your equals. humans are animals too. do not forget this. murder is wrong. what is so extreme about logic and reason? what is wrong with enacting positive principles and values in your life which apply to all species equally? we are not the masters of this earth to destroy what and how we see fit. we should be living as an aspect of a diverse ecosystem. not dominating it and bringing misery wherever we spread our vile ways. we need to practice new ways. to begin with treating others (all others) with respect seems like a damn good start to turning this upside down world of ours the right way up.
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Good luck all you animal rights activists i hope you succeed to show those people that murdering animals is wrong and your making a positive difference in the world. stay strong peace out!
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I've been a vegetarian for 4 years now and meat is just never an option to me. I hate people who are so shocked when I say I don't eat meat and they say "what do you eat then" ummm HELLO there is a hell of a lot of food out there that doesnt involve an animal part. I feel great about myself and I'm a huge animal lover! So vegetarian is definitely the way to go!
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im lookin for animal rights protest in the north carolina costal area. can anyone help me?? If you think you can please do send it to my e-mail. its Mexican_ina_whitegirl@yahoo.com thank you!
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how would you like it if you were an animal and you were chosen to be sliced and chopped then cooked served as a meal
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