Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Once again, the Greens have shown they don't know the difference between an unjust war and just resistance.
Reproduced below is Green MP Keith Locke's latest press release on the war in Lebanon. Locke is backing Helen Clark's position on the war, and therefore calling for an immediate ceasefire and the creation of an international 'peacekeeping' force to control southern Lebanon.
Locke has been a fixture at demonstrations against the invasion of Lebanon, but when he has spoken at these events he has frequently sounded out of tune with many of his fellow protesters. In Auckland a couple of weeks ago he was heckled when he insisted on condemning Israel and the Lebanese resisting Israel's invasion of Lebanon equally. His call for a United Nations solution to the conflict also met with some jeers from members of the audience who regarded the UN as hopelessly dominated by the US and other imperialist powers and unable to act in the interests of the Lebanese people.
Locke's latest statement is an example of everything that is wrong with the Green approach to international affairs. Locke calls for an immediate ceasefire by both Israel and the Lebanese resisting Israeli invasion. But such a call ignores the fact that the Lebanese are fighting a just and necessary war of self-defence against an Israeli invasion, which has cost the lives of close to a thousand civilians.
Contrary to what Fox News and the White House have been telling us, Hizbollah did not 'provoke' Israel when they took two Israeli soldiers prisoner last month. Hizbollah were merely responding under popular pressure to the continuing occupation of Lebanese territory by Israel in the Shebaa Farms area, to the refusal of Israel to release Lebanese abducted in cross-border raids, to a series of acts of aggression on the border and to the invasion of Gaza by the Israeli army.
Israel had been preparing for a new invasion of Lebanon for a long time, and seized upon the two prisoners Hizbollah had taken as an excuse. Since the Israeli invasion began, Lebanese have united behind the Hizbollah-directed defence of the south of their country. The Christian, Druze, and Sunni Muslim sections of the population, which have traditionally been hostile to Hizbollah, have given their backing to the resistance. A recent opinion poll had 85% of Lebanese showing sympathy for Hizbollah. Even the Patriarch of the Maronite Christian church has given his blessings to Hizbollah's fighters.
Since he says he is giving his 'full backing' to the Clark government's position on the war in Lebanon, Locke has presumably decided to accept the plan hammered out by key Western powers like the UK, France, and the US for an international 'peacekeeping' force to occupy southern Lebanon under the cover of a UN resolution. It is clear that such a force will be designed not to relieve the Israeli army, which is being stretched thin by Lebanese resistance. These 'peacekeepers' will be charged with doing the job Israel cannot do for itself.
The resolution Blair and Bush are presenting to the UN does not require Israel to withdraw from southern Lebanon as a condition for a ceasefire. The UN has already passed resolution 1559, which calls on Hizbollah to lay down its arms. Over the past three weeks Israel has tried and failed to disarm Hizbollah; now, in desperation, it is showing increased interest in getting a UN-backed international army to do the job for it.
By giving their 'full backing' to the Clark government's approach to the war in Lebanon, the Greens are supporting the institutionalisation of Israel's occupation of the south of Lebanon and the disarming of Hizbollah. They are also defying the opinion of the vast majority of the Lebanese people. What right does Keith Locke have to tell the Lebanese people that they should stop defending their homes and families, when their country is suffering such a violent attack? Locke should be arguing that the Lebanese have a right to fight back for as long as Israel occupies their country.
Of course, support for the right of the Lebanese to defend their country does not have to mean uncritical support for the political ends of Hizbollah. We can admire the courage of the rank and file Hizbollah fighters without admiring the anti-union, anti-Semitic and misogynistic practices of their theocratic leadership. The left should avoid following the example of the British social democratic politician George Galloway, who has praised the leader of Hizbollah as a great man at anti-war rallies in London.
Galloway's local supporters in the Socialist Worker group recently posted an article on indymedia which correctly said that Hizbollah was a mass organisation fighting a just war of self-defence, but which skipped over the group's execution of trade unionists, feminists, and gays, and its leaders' claims that the Holocaust never happened and that all the Jews in Israel should be driven into the sea.
Hizbollah's anti-Semitism is not only deeply obnoxious -it is counterproductive, because Israel’s government can only be defeated with the assistance of the Israeli working class. Hizbollah only forced Israel out of most of southern Lebanon in 2000 because the Israeli workers had grown tired of paying for the occupation with cuts in social services and dead soldiers. Today Hizbollah's few thousand fighters can never defeat Israel's new occupation by solely military means. Victory is most likely to come for the Lebanese if workers in Israel and in key Western countries turn against this war and act to put pressure on the Israeli government and military machine. Already a few Israeli workers' organisations like the Workers Advice Centres have come out against the war, and the first 'refusenik' has been jailed for refusing service in Lebanon.
Internationally, a number of trade union are placing bans on companies whose services or products are linked to the Israeli war machine. In Aotearoa, Auckland students have demanded that their university break ties with Israeli universities linked to the war on Lebanon, and the National Distribution Union is encouraging its members to come to anti-war protests. This sort of progressive grassroots internationalism is the true alternative to Keith Locke's pathetic faith in Helen Clark and the United Nations.
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Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
it's at http://www.greens.org.nz/searchdocs/PR10012.html
Came oput on the 24th of last month but appears to have been updated...
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
why would the greens alone have the answers? hell how can anyone outside the area have the anwers? surely it is the people involved in the conflict and those directly affected who have the right and knowledge to get past the madness that is full scale war.
arabs and jews for peace,
middle east for the middle east -
imperialists go home
Hizbollah- “Judaism is not Zionism”
LEBANON: Hezbollah: its origins and aims
Michael Karadjis
The United States and Israel claim the horrific attack on Lebanese civilians is necessary to destroy the “terrorist” organisation Hezbollah, which is also routinely referred to as an “Islamic fundamentalist” movement.
Some such assertions are quite fantastic. An article in the July 24 Australian reported that “some US government officials now share Israel’s assessment that [Sheik Hassan] Nasrallah is a bigger danger than Osama bin Laden” — comparing Hezbollah’s leader and the head of the “Islamist” terrorist organisation al Qaeda.
The comparison of a group that allegedly “provoked” this Israeli massacre by abducting two soldiers and one that has killed thousands of people in actions like the destruction of the World Trade Center is self-evidently nonsense. Is there anything in Hezbollah’s history that justifies such comparisons?
Several pro-Iranian groups appeared in 1982 among the poverty-stricken Shiite masses of southern Lebanon to fight the Israeli invasion that year. In 1985 Hezbollah emerged as an umbrella organisation of these groups.
The great majority of military actions Hezbollah has undertaken since then were against the 22-year Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon. Fundamentally, therefore, Hezbollah is a national liberation movement, rather than an “Islamist” or “terrorist” organisation.
The largest “terrorist” attack attributed to Hezbollah is the killing of 241 US occupation troops in Lebanon in 1983. However, this was clearly a guerrilla attack on a military target, not the wanton killing of civilians. In any case, Hezbollah denies responsibility for these actions.
Hezbollah is sometimes accused of wanting to set up an “Islamic state” in Lebanon, where its Shiite Muslim base accounts for some 40% of the population, alongside roughly 30% each of Sunni Muslims and Christians. This accusation derives from the widespread identification of Hezbollah with the Islamic Republic of Iran.
However, while the groups that formed Hezbollah were influenced by Iran’s February 1979 revolution, and it has strong links to Iran and to Shiite groups in Iraq, Hezbollah’s evolution shows a strong relationship to the Lebanese reality in which it operates.
In its founding statement, “An open letter to all the oppressed in Lebanon and the world” (issued in Beirut on February 16, 1985), Hezbollah declared its aims were to drive the US, French and Israeli occupiers out of Lebanon, to defeat the right-wing Maronite Christian “Phalange” party, which dominated Lebanon and collaborated with the occupiers, and “to permit our people to choose in all the liberty the form of government they desire”.
While Hezbollah “calls upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government”, nevertheless it said “we don’t want to impose Islam upon anybody. We don’t want Islam to reign in Lebanon by force as is the case with the Maronites today.” It tells Christians not to be “deceived and misled into believing that we anticipate vengeance against you. For those of you who are peaceful, continue to live in our midst without anybody even thinking to trouble you.”
The record would appear to bear out this rhetoric. There is little evidence that Hezbollah has ever attacked Christians for being Christians. The main “Christian” force it fought was the South Lebanon Army, which was a puppet force of the Israeli occupation.
In fact, some of Hezbollah’s earliest clashes were with Amal, the other main organisation representing Shiite Muslims, due to Hezbollah’s opposition to Amal’s brutal attacks on Palestinian refugee camps. Palestinians are mostly Sunni Muslims and Christians. Hezbollah’s actions cut across the sectarian divisions on which Lebanon’s “confessional” system of government is based.
While Hezbollah’s ideology fits into the category of “Islamist”, and appeals to Islam formed a core part of its strategy to mobilise against the Israeli occupation, the term “fundamentalism” usually refers to attempts to forcibly impose reactionary restrictions on the way people live, dress and so on. Yet the group’s founding statement states that whoever wants to defeat the “arrogant superpower” — the US — “cannot indulge in marginal acts”, such as “to dynamite bars and destroy slot machines”.
My own experience in areas of south Beirut during a visit in the late ’90s bears this out. There were far more women covered in veils in pro-Western Jordan than in Hezbollah-controlled south Beirut, where women were also more visible in the streets in general. This reflects the higher socio-economic level of Lebanon.
Hezbollah is far from being only a military organisation. It also runs a wide network of social services, schools and health centres, which service the poor generally, not only the Shiites. Since Lebanon’s undemocratic “confessional” system was reformed in 1991, Hezbollah has taken part in elections, and holds nearly a fifth of the seats in parliament.
Hezbollah’s accordance with Lebanese realities and avoidance of the sectarian and “fundamentalist” extremes of some forms of “political Islam” enabled it to become the leading force in the resistance to Israeli occupation. But for this it has been accused of being anti-Jewish and of wanting to “destroy Israel” once Lebanon is liberated.
Nasrallah himself has made several anti-Jewish statements, which have been blown up by Zionist propagandists. These backward statements reflect the fact that decades of Zionist oppression of Palestinians and Lebanese does create prejudiced views among some of the oppressed. Many South African blacks would no doubt have blamed whites, rather than the system, for their oppression during the period of apartheid.
However, these occasional statements are at odds with more serious analyses by Hezbollah. Its website, Alghaliboun.net, contains articles that make explicit that its fight is against Zionism and not with Jews.
One such article, “Judaism is not Zionism”, after highlighting “a very important fact” that “Israel’s brutal policy is rejected by many Jews all over the world”, goes on to stress that “it is Zionism that Muslims criticize, not Judaism or the Jewish nation — Muslims respect all God’s religions, prophets and messengers”.
Hezbollah was accused of bombing a Jewish community centre in Argentina in 1994, but denies this. There is much scepticism about this charge, due to the incompetence of the official investigation, during which no proper autopsies or DNA tests were done. A number of factors point to the involvement of Argentina’s military in the attack.
For all the “terrorism” accusations, the only concrete fact is that Hezbollah has in the past fired Katyusha rockets into Israel, some of which have killed civilians. However, this was part of the war of liberation against Israeli occupation, during which Israel regularly responded to attacks on its military forces in Lebanon with massive attacks on Lebanese civilians. At such times, Hezbollah fired back. There was an enormous difference between the small numbers hit by Hezbollah and the huge numbers hit by Israel.
The same goes for the rockets Hezbollah has launched into Israel in response to the current attack. Less than 20 Israeli civilians have been killed, compared to estimates as high as 750 Lebanese. It is certainly debatable whether firing back into Israel achieves anything militarily that can make up for the boosting of support within Israel for the war when even a few civilians are killed. However, firing back when under massive attack is normal in war and can hardly be called “terrorism”.
There have been several clashes near the border since Israel withdrew from most of southern Lebanon in 2000, but overwhelmingly Hezbollah has stuck to its pledge not to make cross-border attacks. The only significant event was the death of five Israeli civilians in an incursion in March 2002, which Hezbollah claims it had nothing to do with. According to UN observer reports, Israel has violated the border between the two countries 10 times more frequently than Hezbollah has.
In December 2005, al Qaeda launched a cross-border attack into Israel from southern Lebanon. Hezbollah is extremely hostile to al Qaeda and has vigorously denounced actions such as the attack on the World Trade Center and the beheading of Nick Berg, a US businessperson captured by followers of Abu Musab al Zarqawi in Iraq. However, al Qaeda appears to have developed support among a few of the desperate Palestinian refugees in Lebanon.
Nasrallah responded to the cross-border attack by saying: “We believe that this operation was a mistake, because we believe that the Katyusha rocket should be used as a defensive strategy. If Israel attacks us, we respond with Katyushas. However, the Katyushua is not a weapon for a jihadist operation. Launching a Katyusha for no reason violates our strategy.”
Responding to the appearance of al Qaeda in Lebanon, Nasrallah blamed such extremism among some Palestinians on attempts by the Lebanese right-wing to forcibly disarm Palestinians, whom he defended as “our brothers”. However, al Qaeda would mean “calling for explosions, for blowing up Shiite religious centers, churches, mosques, and Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds ... is this how we will build the country?”
The association made by pro-Israeli media between Hezbollah's defensive use of Katyushas and some of the intemperate language about “obliterating” Israel suggests that Hezbollah’s primitive rockets might be a weapon to carry out the destruction of a first-rate military and economic power.
However, shorn of such rhetoric, Nasrallah’s actual view is that Israel “is a state based on occupation, that has usurped the rights of others”, but that “on this land, Muslims, Christians and Jews can coexist together, as they have for hundreds of years, in the framework of a democratic state”.
Hezbollah is led by sections of the small-scale Shiite bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie, who have no interest in a “jihad” to “liberate Palestine”. The interests of this layer is in gaining a larger share of the pie in Lebanon, where the Christian and, to an extent, the Sunni big bourgeoisie have long been dominant. It is not in the interests of this layer’s prosperity to have constant conflict and destruction of its land by Israel.
At the same time, the oppression suffered by the Shiite masses at the hands of Israel, and the fact that they live in the same impoverished regions as half-a-million Palestinian refugees, has given rise to strong feelings of solidarity with the Palestinian struggle, as well as the view that the Palestine “peace process” will not be complete without solving the problem of the refugees in Lebanese neighbourhoods.
Hezbollah is a nationalist, not a socialist, organisation, and socialists have many differences with Hezbollah’s ideology and many of its tactics. However, recognising that it is a national liberation movement rather than a “fundamentalist” or “terrorist” organisation is important in understanding the kinds of allies that are necessary in national struggle. Moreover, it is not necessary to romanticise Hezbollah in order to recognise that its actual political evolution and many of its tactical decisions make it a far better vehicle for the national struggle than many other organisations in the region with roots in “political Islam”, such as al Qaeda.
From Green Left Weekly, August 9, 2006.
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
The point that Green Left is missing is that Hizbollah's anti-Semitism is part of its political strategy. Instead of looking to unite the ordinary people of Lebanon and Israel Hizbollah says that working class Jews are part of the problem, not the solution, and therefore have to defeated along with the Israeli ruling class. But it is impossible for Hizbollah's few thousand fighters, heroic as they are, to defeat the might of the Israeli army without help from inside Israel. And when Jewish workers hear Hizbollah leaders saying that the Holocaust never happened, that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a real historical text, that all the Jews in Israel have to be driven into the sea, and so on, then they are driven further into the camp of the Israeli ruling class, which naturally tries to demonise Israel's Arab neighbours to justify its wars. Hizbollah's leaders play right into the hands of the Zionists. Socialists shouldn't be afraid to criticise them for that. Besides, if we're going to try to get Kiwis, and Kiwi trade unionists in particualr, involved in anti-war events here, how are we going to do so without differentiating our own politics from the reactionary aspects of Hizbollah's politics? How many female and gay let alone Jewish workers are we going to get along if we are identified with policies like the subjugation of these minorities?
We should support the military resistance of the Hizbollah rank and file without giving political support to their leaders.
CWG calling Hizbollah anti semetic?
the Green left article puts comments in context. Scott pouring petrol on the Zionist spark about Hizbollah is a dangerous game. Also appeals to the Israeli working class are a bit rich- did the CWG appeal to the white working class of South Africa to overthrow apartheid?
The Israeli working class live on stolen land and benifit from the subsidies the US gives to them. A minority of Israelis oppose Zionism, but the vast majority do not. Do not have any illusions that they are the key. The key are the millions of workers from Cairo to Beirut who are rising up against their own puppet governments.
CWG position on the Zionist war
The 'dangerous game' is that of suppressing the class composition of Hizbollah, Hamas, or the old PLO.
All are led by bourgeous factions whose class interest is to replace Zionist capitalism with Arab capitalism, with or without an Islamic state.
The 'millions of workers from Cairo to Beirut' are 'rising up' under such leaderships.
While we give unconditional support to these movements for self-determination against Zionism, they are incapable of achieving that end, because their bourgeois leaderships will always compromise with Zionism, recognise Zionist Israel's right to exist, in exchange for a national base for their capital, and do deals with imperialism over dividing the surplus produced by those same insurgent workers.
We only have to look at the history of the PLO that sold out the Palestinian struggle, of the Hamas leadership that was preparing to sell out and recognise Israel when its military wing split from it a few weeks back. The same is true of the Sadr Brigade in Iraq and the same will be true of Nasrallah. Once they have carved out their piece of territory as their capitalist base in a deal with imperialsm, they will sell out the masses.
So while they lead the struggle they use legitimate arguments against Zionism, but also illegitimate ones against Jews in general. They do this to mobilise and control the insurgent masses. However, despite such excessive rhetoric, they are like the Zionists, in that they will always put their capitalist interests before that of the masses. When it come to doing deals with one another that rhetoric is forgotten on all sides.
That's why the CWG statement on Lebanon gives unconditional support to the fight of Hizbollah against the invanding Zionist army, but calls for the workers and poor peasant masses to take over the leadership of this struggle to carry it through to the end with the defeat of imperialism, Zionism and the sellout Arab bourgeoisies.
But for this to happen the masses have to break from the Islamic and extreme nationalist ideology of the bourgeosies and develop an international workers and peasants movement whose main demand will be Palestinian self-determination, concretely expressed as "one, secular, non-racist democratic republic of Palestine". The emergence of such a leadership will make possible an alliance with those Israeli workers who agree with this demand, and who act inside Israel to smash the Zionist state.
Together it will become clear that as workers and peasants rule the new state, there can be no compromise with imperialism or capitalism, and a socialist republic, as part of a Middle East confederation of socialist republics will arise.
CWG's declaration on the Zionist war is at:
http://redrave.blogspot.com/2006/07/stop-war-of-destruction-against.html
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Have you got any answers Scott?
p.s. You strike me as a real dickhead.
Zionism and the Jewish Working Class
"Also appeals to the Israeli working class are a bit rich ... The Israeli working class live on stolen land ... Do not have any illusions that they are the key ..."
This is an incredibly dangerous statement - it plays right into the hands of the Zionists who claim that the Jewish people and the Israeli state are the same thing. Note that this is the logic that Zionists use to claim attacks on the state of Israel as somehow anti-Semetic. I wonder how it's author plans to defeat the Zionist state without a movement within Israel it'self?
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Interesting report on some recent anti-war demonstrations in Israel:
http://www.marxmail.org/msg15366.html
I don't think you can compare the Israeli working class with the Afrikaaner working class in apartheid South Africa for two reasons.
In the first place, the Israeli working class includes the vast majority of the country's population, not a tiny minority living indirectly off the exploitation of the majority as was the case with the Afrikaaners in South Africa.
In the second place, the Israeli working class includes numerous racial/ethnic strata, and the lower strata are oppressed in various ways because of their race/ethnicity. Right at the bottom of society you have the Arab Israelis, but the Falasha or black Jews are not much higher up. Nor are the Yemeni Jews and many of the immigrants from Russia. In the past there have been civil rights movements within Israel, like the Israeli Black Panther movement, directed against the prejudice practices of the state and by the Jewish elite, most of whom have a Western European background.
So not only are the vast majority of Israelis workers, who are exploited by capitalism and forced to fight in and pay for ruling class wars with cuts to wages and social services, but many are also members of minority ethnic groups which suffer oppression. These people have a great deal to gain from the dismantling of the Zionist state and the creation of a secular democratic binational state in its place. But they won't be won to the anti-Zionist cause by propaganda that casts them as inherently reactionary and calls for them to be driven into the Red Sea.
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
"The Israeli working class live on stolen land and benifit from the subsidies the US gives to them. A minority of Israelis oppose Zionism, but the vast majority do not. "
yes, the israeli working class live on land stolen from palestinians. and the new zealand working class live on land stolen from maori, and the american working class live on land stolen from american indians. they all benefit from colonisation.
it's true that most of the israeli working class are zionists and support the israeli government. this doesn't mean that they are the ones in power. this divide and conquer strategy for controling the working class is hardly novel. capitalists always scapegoat someone for the poverty of workers: working class (jewish) israelis are poor because the big bad antisemitic arabs want to push them into the sea, working class pakeha are poor because the maori dole bludgers steal their tax money, working class white americans are poor because indians are free loaders and black people are criminals and muslims hate our way of life...
the point is, although working class white people might benefit from colonisation and imperialism, they're not the ones who control it. Jewish israelis benefit from the disposseion of palestinians but they'd benefit a lot more from not having their kids sent to kill palestinians and lebanese people, they'd benefit more from not living in poverty because the government would rather spend money on weapons than social welfare, and they'd benefit more from not having katyushas dropped on their homes because because the government puts american imperialist interests ahead of people's lives.
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Here's some revealing facts and figures of social life in Israel
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/mar2006/jea2-m29.shtml
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Very nice article Scott.
First with East timor and the Solomons, now with Lebanon, the Green Party has shown the lie to it's "opposed to war" stance.
Guerillacore: I see no reason why the Greens would have all the answers alone, but it's one thing to be completely right and another to be clearly in the wrong as it seems they are now. The people involved in the conflict would have a much beter grasp of the situation than, say, a bunch of bureaucrats from the top end of society debating their fate in new york or geneva who are more likely to be thinking about how well they may profit from the conflict rather than what is good for the people on the ground.
Weez Waziza: ignoring your childish commentary (personal attacks in an intelligent debate... where do i even begin?) i thought that Scott outlined his solutions reasonably well. Like in 2000, when the israeli working class said No and forceed the IDF to retreat from southern Lebanon, if they stopped producing for the war, even with the US's billions in aid the war could not be sustained. This is obviously in conjunction with similar movements in neighbouring countries as "noticing the changes" stated, as well as opposition movements around the globe.
It may not be perfect, but it's certainly a better option than relying on the UN - spineless as it is with the US at the hub (did you know that 8 out of the last 9 veto's in the UN have been made by the US and of those 8, 7 were in regard to the Israel/Palestine.surrounding locale region) - to impose it's "peacekeeping" on the unwilling people of lebanon. Isn't that what they are calling the continued imperialist occupation of Iraq these days?
The idea of a ceasefire without israel being forced to leave southern lebanon is worse than doing nothing - If hezbollah lay down their arms, i strongly doubt that israel would say "aw shucks, now we have no reason to fight them... we may as well leave them alone and go home". Hezbollah's fighters are the only reason that lebanon hasn't yet been "turned back 20 years" as the Israeli chief of staff has stated to be the intent of the war. I agree with scott that while the political aims of hezbollah are not ones i would be supporting at all, they are the only ones doing Anything to resist what is clearly an imperist invasion of the most insidious and cruel kind, and for that they deserve full support.
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
Anarkalilith, answer me this. If you recognize that....
"yes, the israeli working class live on land stolen from palestinians. and the new zealand working class live on land stolen from maori, and the american working class live on land stolen from american indians. they all benefit from colonisation"
WHAT precisely makes you believe that IF these working classes overthrew their capitalist masters and so became the democratic rulers in truth of their societies that they would choose to dispossess themselves of their booty?
I am pretty sure that you DO believe such a thing would happen -- this question is about WHY you hold such a belief. What is the basis, where does the belief come from? Understand? I am no more arguing that you are wrong than I would bother arguing with a Christian that it is untrue that Jesus is his or her savior. But what I am trying to suggest is that your basis is probably a similar form of "faith"
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
For a real fire in the belly interview, go to the following link on the blog "onegoodmove" where George Galloway, RESPECT MP in the UK, is being interviewed by Sky News.
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/
You'll need to scroll down quite some way on the first page.
For all Galloway's faults, and there are many, this is a great interview where he gets stuck into Sky and the ridiculous interviewer for their pathetic analysis.
Re: Greens have no answers to war in Lebanon
The Green Left Weekly article mentioned in this thread has been moved to the OtherPress section:
http://indymedia.org.nz/otherpress/display/2035/index.php