!Women Unite to Take Back the Night!

Women get assualted and raped everyday in Auckland and all you can say is that your pissed Peter Jackson didnt use the NZSO for his movie score? Who the fuck cares.

Tim, you watch too much Oprah. The only people doing any violence today are the feminists own children creation who grew up with too much freedom and no responsibility. They are now terroirising anyone irrespective of gender.
Now go and fuck yourself.

Oh yeah, you wanna play dirty huh? I know of someone who was molested twice as a uni student by a female doctor of philosophy and a female GP. They with the help of the university staff coerced him out to cover up their political krap. Who gives a fuck, not me but the so-called professionals at skhool are far worse than your normal psycho abuser on the street.

Wake up the devil and bring it on!!!

Men are no worse than women when it comes to violence. This is why having a "campaign against male violence" is really an exercise in promoting hatred.

REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Martin S. Fiebert
Department of Psychology
California State University, Long Beach

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 174 scholarly investigations: 138 empirical studies and 36 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 163,800.

sure, voilence rape sexual abuse is a very human condition. but take back the night is not an attack on men, I understand men are also in violent relationships, that women have molested them etc, etc... but take back the night is a space were women can meet, I put it to all of you, that you ask yourselves why you find this so threatening. I dont think were going to be storming any cigar bars or strip clubs, its just a gathering of women,

Violence is a human issue, we could all gather and discuss it together, its not a group of women blaming men, its just a group of women meeting and sharing their experience, I dont think its intended to exclude men, but lets face it women are oppressed all over the world, in the west we've had about 100 years of dialogue with men, but I still see inequality and I feel I should be able to discuss it with my sisters, I discuss it with my brothers all the time, but there are still secrets I hold... women are abusers too sure I agree, but if were gonna get all statistical (which lets face it is a pointless exercise in futility) what the fuck am I even defending this for this thread has proved my point.... WHAT SCARES YOU ALL SO MUCH ABOUT WOMEN GATHERING, somehow I dont think under the light of the moon we'll all become warewolves and punish men for their forfathers dark deeds

So, if it doesn’t qualify for an artistic festival, then it doesn’t deserve a park at the moonlight shadow among the wolf pack. Bye bye now pussy cat.
meeooowwww

Are you talking about Don Franks or some other Don?

Yeah, the feminist troops consist of men who have become wimps.

Violence against women was introduced by English capitalists through colonisation then is still doing it today whether by the war of Iraq and elsewhere, or the impoverishment of the third worlds by economic trades and monetary policies.

The separation of the family is still the capitalist indoctrination of the children to become the means of economic ends; their fathers were in the way. All the children today are mere mechanism for consumption and generation of capital interest.

You are looking at the symptoms. If you want to treat violence, look at the cause. Bush and Blair the greatest abusers of all time...

Women in upper echelons of society violate themselves as sex objects of their men’s desires, marriage is simply a legal form of a sexual contract. Their payment whether it’s the house money or other legitimizes them as prostitutes. These women usually suffer violence of the jealous type, but mostly emotional and mental. They transfer their frustrations to men of the lower echelons as responsible for their suffering.

Women in lower echelons inherited a struggle transferred from the upper maintenance into their position of social standards. The feminist ingrained a false belief of their freedom where they make themselves targets of unwanted pregnancies and abortion.

The economic struggles of inequalities, deprives this group from fair access to resources, have no one else to blame but take their frustrations upon their own.

Morally, most if not all of the lower echelons are not free from their bonds, let alone their emotions and mentality. They are not informed therefore not responsible.

You will find this violent trend is controlled by economic policy to effect its rise and fall; requires a social safety net during market determinations. But I have long argued that if society wants to make these people accountable and responsible for their action, then they have to be free. Otherwise, it is society’s problem.

Thanks to the rapists who introduced it to the natives...

Phew. What a lot of scared men there are posting on this article. Scared, and angry.

Women: Reclaim The Night!
It is unthinkable that half the world (mostly cities) is off limits to over half the population (women) almost half of the time (at night).

If there are times that men are afraid of being out in the night, it sure isn't because they are worried they are going to be attacked by women. It is because we live in a macho culture that celebrates violence by men.

Men need to do a lot of work to get their shit together. To stop assaulting each other, and women.

As far as the feminist 'troops' being men who are wimps - what is a wimp? You mean someone who refuses to be violent? Or someone who doesn't want other men to be violent? OH, you mean someone who wants women to be able to define their lives for themselves and have freedom from harassment, rape and fear. Seem like it would be wimpier just to go with the mainstream macho culture. Seems like it would take strength to stand up against violent men and say STOP.

I am happy to ignore the apologisers for violence who post on this list. There have always been small minded people worried by change. Perhaps you need to keep yourself ignorant of the facts of what is happening to women in our society so you can feel good about yourself. I understand that, it's pretty sad and scary.

Thank you to the brave and radical people organising and supporting this event.

http://www.mencanstoprape.com
http://www.whiteribbon.ca

Oh Please. You think that these people don't oppose all violence just because they want one day when women are safe to walk the streets?!

What are YOU doing to stop all this violence then? Apart from talking on behalf of feminists. If someone organises a benefit gig for the Earthquake in Pakistan are you going to deride them for not also including every other natural disaster in the last year?

Men aren't doing very much to stop violence against women, so women are doing it themselves. If you want to help fight violence against men, and all members of society - more power to you.

Sorry that you feel so angry that women are standing up for themselves. I agree that violence aganst men is also abhorrent, and violence against children all the more so. I look forward to supporting your anti-violence campaign, please do post the details up here.

A Wellington male.

"Take Back The Night" isn't about stopping violence, and never has been.

It's all about promoting hatred of men.

The march IS an attack on men.

well im going to this cool event with a banner that will read "Men Against Domestic Violence and Rape" all other men who want to be involved can take part with us at the back of the procession so we dont get in the way
by the way i dont hate myself or "men" but i do see that the actual facts of domestic violence are 85% of victims are women in america and in nz 400 women are hospitalised every year due to assaultand 23 782 women and children used womens refuge services
but im a wimp... www.amnesty.org.nz

oh and also 15% of women in refuges have a permenant disability as a result of a battering

WOMYN are OPPRESSED because the MEN and their RAPE PENISES are jealous of our EMPOWERMENT. EMPOWERMENT is even better than being a PRYNCESS!!

BODY RAPE is not the only way MEN and their RAPE PENISES violate WOMYN, they also use EYE RAPE, LOGIC RAPE, LONG-DISTANCE RAPE and GRAPE RAPE. OPRAH told me that Jesus was really a EMPOWERED WOMYN and I believed her because I am WOMYN and so is SHYE and we are part of THE HYVE MYND.

I grew my ARMPYT HAYR out, got a BUZZ-CUT and a B!A! in WOMYN'S STUDYES and now MEN and their RAPE PENISES won't date me because they are INTIMIDATED by POWYRFUL WOMYN.

We demand EKWALITEE but can do better due to DOUBLE-THINK and STYTYSTYCS.

We're working on a thing called DALIMONY where MEN and their RAPE PENISES have to pay $DELICIOUS MONEY$ after they are DEAD. Also, we are lobbying the PATRIORKEE to make it legal for WOMYN to FEAST ON THEIR YOUNG, just like sharks do.

In 50 years WOMYN will be able to breed without MEN and their RAPE PENISES so we won't need MEN and their RAPE PENISES anymore! I grow HUNGRY for HAHGANDAZ.

We have this VAGYNA. Death to MEN and their RAPE PENISES. The WICCAN EARTH GODDYSS is great!

The concept of "male violence" is sexist bullshit that doesn't help anyone. As sexist as "Maori violence" is racist. Generally speaking men suffer a lot more violence than women but thats not even the point. Are the many men who aren't violent not really male, and the many women who commit violence not really female? The either/or dichotomy, always a part of identity politics, makes it into a case of us-against-them, goodies vs. baddies, and we forever fight among ourselves always missing the real causes.

Violence isn't a gender problem and you'll never stop it by treating it as one. Of course the many feminist specialists will forever howl on about their "male oppressors", because if women actually empowered themselves they would no longer be necessary -- or useful for maintaining the real causes of violence -- the State, Capitalism, and every institutionalized authority. Feminists don't ever object to *those* forms of violence, unless women get to do their 'fair share' (as female politicians, bosses, cops...)

Feminists and women need to stop this victimist habit of laying the blame on men and look at themselves, because they are not completely innocent or unresponsible for their situation. I realize women have generally had and continue to have less freedom than men, but demananding (or militantly begging) men to change themselves, or the State to force them, isn't ever going to help.

I also find it hard to see anything empowering about repeating ad nauseam that women should be afraid of getting raped whenever they go out at night.

The only men who are scared are the wimps in favour of feminist militant. None of them have anything between their ears, which stands for comments. But this subject does not deserve a comment either. Let me put it in perspective.

The political landscape has changed remarkably. Radical Maori has moved from the far left to join National at the far right, adding support to the nationalist conservatives. While these militants have shown to be anti collective and in opposition to public ownership, they favour foreign trade only within the traditional Western boundaries. The market determines the economy, expropriates resources from public ownership to the individual, and concentrates power on corporations and multinationals. The poor Maori folk will have to mobilize in order to identify with a cause, and the conflict within the ideology may stretch its arm further from the centre.

There is certainly plenty to write about the family now from a natural perspective, a therapeutic manual and objective culture. But I am expecting the family to be placed upon the position of the workers, away from the individual of the far right and feminist militants. It will provide a platform for the workers unite to distinguish itself from the neoliberal crowd.

There is another force on horizon, which defies traditional positions of the right and left, in favour of social and economic stability. It’s too early to tell yet, but I think it may develop an anti globalisation movement, yet another interesting subject to write about.

As for violence, I suggest if you don’t have a perspective to address the issue, then go back to skool or something before you start dishing it out.

If you don't have a perspective on women's violence, I suggest you go back to school.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 174 scholarly investigations: 138 empirical studies and 36 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 163,800.

"women are perpetrators of violence too" is not a response to the issues around patriarchy I have seen it far too many times used as this. This response come from fear - it is usually from men who are used to their more powerful position in society, and afraid to see that challenged.

I agree that men being the victims of violence is no less important an issue, but its not the issue being brought up - you wouldn't counter the atrocities if war with 'but climate change is bad too' They don't negate each other. They are both very real problems of the world that need tackling. They can be campagned upon together or singalurly - depending on the energy and focus of those involved.

For me 'Take Back the Night' is about just that - fighting the feeling, opinion and atmosphere that its 'not safe for a woman to walk the streets after dark' and a chance to work with other women and feel empowered and strong in the very real (and very evident on this list) face of a patriarchal world.

"ManCanStopRape" is using the old feminist trick of blaming the victim for women's violence -- excusing it on the basis that if a woman attacks a man, it's the man's fault.

The reality belies the biased websites you refer to, which are respectively "shelters" which profit from the domestic violence industry, and self-hating men.

You have bought into the feminist myth, and made yourself an object of your own hatred.

Don't believe the lies, and don't support the liars. Demand equal representation in campaigns, and boycott any movement that seeks to blame men for the problems of the world.

Some men in here obviously can't seem to separate patriarchy or male privilege with being a "man", do you see your dominance as inherent in your gender?

Because the issue here is patriarchy, not men. If you can't differentiate between male dominance and being biologically male, then what kind of equality are you fighting for?

Some men here need to start realising that when feminists attack patriarchy, it's not attacking them, it's attacking their behaviour and attitude that are oppressive towards women, which can be changed!

I gotta say, most males don't feel particularly safe walking the streets at night, especially if they're by themselves/aren't built like a rugger/look like a "faggggggootttttt". Course it doesn't stop me roaming the street, it just means I've gotten good at doing a runner.
I don't particularly like the idea of "take back the night" but, empowerment from joining a group just seems kind of commie.
So yep, all in all, bastards that beat up strangers on the street bad, running away good, communists bad, summaries good.

"Man", so far I didn't think that your posts were worthy of a reply, but I just can't let this one go.
Your claim that women's refuge "profits from the domestic violence industry" says a lot about your state of mind. Yes, there is a domestic violence industry. For example, it sponsors violent male games like rugby. It sells alcohol to the predominantly male audience at those games. And it makes more profit in a day than women's refuge will ever be able to collect in a lifetime.

It is quite telling that you choose to use a pseudonym that specifies a whole gender - sadly, you probably do represent the views of a lot of men. That is why marches like this one are necessary. That is why women's refuges around the country are full. That is why prostitution exists. Men like you are the problem.

However, you are not speaking for me and I will fight against everything you stand for whenever I can. And I will do that without hating myself, contrary to your assumption.

Sorry, I thought that was clearer, I don't like the idea of take back the night because im not into gaining empowerment from a group, it leaves you reliant on the group and I always seem to run into trouble when im not with a group. Didn't mean to give the wrong impression, that's more a thing with me and groups than me and take back the night. I really just posted to give some solidarity, men are afraid of the badness of bad as well.

I wish that womyn take back the night marches would happen every week so that this kind of conversation was happening all the time and becouse people might get used to seeing women in an a proactive role. "Man" provides us with a great example of stereotypical male dominance and hatred towards women who brake the enforced mold of meek and mild.I sincerly hope he is not in close contact with any wommn.With him posting his hate dribble it gives us an oppertunity to counter myths and form arguments against common prejudice oppinons.
Yay for the organises and womyn joining this event.
Are any womyn planning one for wellimgton?
For the guy who said he wanted to join the rally at the back so as not to get in the way.You could try handing out leflets on rape and sexual abuse, on the footpath as the march goes by therby not geting in the way and helping educate people at the same time.
To everyone working against rape and sexual abuse never stop you are my heros.
P.s i am not a femminist. I dont belive men can be, although a good understanding of femminism is a bloody good idea.
And "Man" did it ocur to you that men dont NEED womyn to get laid. xxx.

YAY ! "Sisters are doin' it for themselves..." This is so important, for all of society (but especially for all the women who have gone before us and all who will follow).
Blessed Be to all (o)

Ooops, sorry! Forgot wives, but hopefully you got my drift...
Blessed Be (O)

"Besides one could argue that marching in a large group illuminated by lanterns isn't really showing that you're not scared of the dark.
Speaking for myself, I have and never have had a fear of walking at night by myself."

WOW. you're so lucky. But it's not just about being afraid to walk alone, you mean to tell me you have never even modified your walking route to make it 'safer'? i find that hard to believe.
Its about recognizing that most women, (& not all women are fearless radicals who comment on imc) have to change their habits because of male violence, be it walking at night , or the food choices you make based on body image.
As for "marching in a large group illuminated by lanterns isn't really showing that you're not scared of the dark." We're not scared of the dark, at least i'm not. I'm scared of male violence. And it's not about "SHOWING" anybody, it's about the women attending feeling what it's like to be in a big rabble of wimmim, at night, raising awareness in our community, doing something creative, at a time and place where society threatens us to not be. And for me, it's about setting a good enough organizing example that other wimmin around here will realize they can start any kind of initative they desire.