Nazis lose badly in Wellington

Looking forward to more reports and images :)

I will say it again, the nazis started it, adn people defended themselves. We showed them that their fascist shit is not welcome in Wellington. It was not a victory for the NF, it was a disaster for them. No matter what the media might say, we got over a thousand people of all races and cultures, to come out and say we will not tolerate fascism in Wellington. A small bunch of violent bigots tried to pick a fight. they got one, and they lost. end of story.

Your forgot to mention the fairies. In the morning before the main anti racist march arrived. a group of fairies with wings and pretty costumes, confronted the nazis and sprinkled glitter on the leaders. The big tough fascist thugs were not impressed but they did look funny afterwards with glitter on thier big bald heads!
Oh, and someone stole Kyle Chapmans flag too :o)

go check out a bleeding fash on the media space.

"I ask people to PLEASE DON'T POST PICTURES WITH ANTI FA FACES!!! Any photos of NF stick em up. Moderators can you do something about this? "

Why is it okay to put their faces up (and publish a personal cellphone number) but you beg for your face not to be shown? Quite the hypocrite arent we? They don't wear masks, why do you?

"everyone to jump on the car and remove anything that could be pulled off"

"Oh, and someone stole Kyle Chapmans flag too"

So you're theives and vandals. Congratulations.

Cultricide I know you are just a troll but I will reply to your crap once and hope no one continues this into a flame war.

Your now explains alot, Cultricide, the death of a culture. You are most likely just a nazi scum bag.

The phone number is already publicly avalible, look in the white pages under national front, and as for maks they were to hide peoples faces from the nazis not the general public or the cops.

The person who got hit by the car did not climb on top of it after the NF slowed down, I saw it myself and infact the car speed up and hit them full on, they probably climed up to protect their legs. Nazi trash don't diserve to live let alone dirve on the road.

Heres an NZPA story, Im sure Im posting this in the wrong place but what the hell.
Paul Berry is a bit of a twit isnt he?

Two groups poles apart to rally at Parliament

23.10.2004
5.45Pm
UPDATE - Three arrests were made during marches on Parliament today by the extreme right-wing group the National Front (NF) and its opposition Multicultural Aotearoa (MCA) but police say the main problems came from a radical group who confronted the NF.

Police estimate about 45 NF members met in front of the Cenotaph by Parliament in central Wellington while 800 people marched with the MCA from Te Papa.

Inspector Paul Berry of Wellington police said about 200 members of a "radical, anarchist, punk-rocker type group" also converged on the Cenotaph.

After the march NF leader Kyle Chapman criticised police actions when the NF had trouble leaving but Mr Berry was unsympathetic.

"My job is to be impartial and let both groups protest within reason. I'm not there to baby-sit the National Front. If they want to come to town to protest it's up to them to find a way home. I'm not a taxi service."

An NF member was one of the men arrested, for possession of a knife and disorderly behaviour, after leaping on to his car bonnet with a wooden baton.

Mr Berry said the man was provoked by one of the radicals throwing a full beer bottle at the man's car.

Another radical protester was also arrested for disorderly behaviour and possession of a knife while the third was arrested for trespass at the police station.

"The radical group who confronted the National Front down at the Cenotaph really did cause most of the trouble," said Mr Berry.

"They had set out to confront the National Front people and make it their business to scare them out of town... we had a couple of bottles thrown from the crowd at either the National Front or into the police lines.

"We had a protester with a wooden patu - a Maori club - hit a National Front member in the head."

Mr Berry said the NF mostly did what police told them to do but could have been "more sensitive to their plight... most of them managed to contain themselves despite quite nasty verbal attacks".

He said the 45 police on duty were sufficient although a few more might have helped.

One police officer was cut by glass when a glass bottle thrown shattered on a car and glass hit him in the hand.

NF director Mr Chapman earlier said he had expected about 150 supporters to rally in favour of free speech and of keeping New Zealand's current flag.

MCA, formed in response to recent racist activity in Wellington, on its website said its three aims were to "stop the National Front, oppose humiliating immigration policies and stop Maori bashing".

They had expected up to 3000 marchers .

- NZPA

Pleased to see those NF neds get a good slap..well done the youth of WGTN!! A good kick in the arse is the best method to deal with these malcontents -so well done!
I come from West Belfast ,and I would love for these supposed hard-men to come to my old neighbourhood....we don't have a lot of liberal tolerance for union rag/flag kissers lol, the blows would be raining down on their wee bald heads. Off home to yer mammy chapman ,ya big jessie!!

That fight wasn't started by a thrown bottle on his car, the NF took off and left one of their dudes behind who quickly put a shirt over his NF one and tried to lowkey out of there. Once people had clicked onto the fact that he was NF he started getting shit from people, when the NF guy saw some sign that was dissing out Kyle Chapman he grabbed it out the protesters hand and ripped it in half. This resulted in a few pushes from the protesters which is when the NF guy grabbed someones flag and took the stick on the flag and started lashing out... thats when he got jumped!

"We will always thrash your kind"

I would never strike you because of your political opinions so the same respect would be appreciated. What exactly is "my kind" out of curiosity? I took this test http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/politicalcompass/questionnaire.pl?page=1 and came out essentially center-left, my closest world leader was Ghandi.

Great to hear

Yeah right, Anarchy Boy - like anarchists could organize their way out of a paper bag. Sorry when is the revolution, this century, last century, next century, any day now? Time for beddy-byes, you're getting all over-excited.

Let me just reiterate the Ed policy,
abuse posts will be hidden from this or any other tread.
As previously posted

"Due to the expected abusive posts from both National Front members and Anti-fascists in the next couple of weeks, the ed crew have decided that we will be hiding all racist and abusive posts on sight.
Our Editorial policy is here: http://indymedia.org.nz/mod/info/display/policy/index.php

Any questions can be referred to the editorial list: imc-aotearoa-ed (at) lists.indymedia.org

Play nice"

thanks

The One News report (available on-line at the TVNZ site) is horrendous - maybe the first piece of mainstream media I've ever seen to lend sympathy to Nazis. Meanwhile, members of the Multi-Cultural Aotearoa are being quoted as dropping f-bombs on national broadcasts. Look, beating up total assholes may be great fun and all, but some of you really need to step back and take stock of what you have managed to achieve. If you approach that exercise with any real honesty, I think you'll acknowledge that you've managed to exalt ten or so of the country's most irrelevant and dangerous morons to a revered status as lightning rods for national sympathy and understanding. Not a great day at the office, if you ask me. For goodness sake, one week these fools are running around trashing Jewish cemetaries, yet the tag-team duo of the "rent-a-protest" crowd and One News are yet able to remodel them as legitimate figures of national interest. Do you really believe that Mr. Chapman would have been on the news tonite if you all had just ignored him??? Maybe you folks should come to America. I'm sure you could get Paul Wolfowitz elected to the Presidency in no time . . .

Where the fuck did I put my British citizenship again?

Direct action by the AntiFAs is still a good thing, even if surprise surprise they are misrepresented in the media. The general public are not going to suddenly see the NF as anything other than violent miscreants just because some fairies made them run crying to the police like scared little girls. As long as AntiFa maintain a sense of humour, as with the scarey fairies (something the NF, like their Fuhrer, are terminally incapable of) the public will back the AntiFA - regardless of attempts to undermine the protesters by the right-wing media. The more the media trys to pillory the AntiFA, the more suspicious the public will become of the media that do so.

Violence is defintely best avoided. So is bad press. But any opportunity to remind the NF that they will be opposed, that they are ultimately cowards, and that they will face unpleasant consequences if they try for media stunts is a good thing. Their will is weakened when they find picking on the weak costs them, that they are massively outnumbered, and when they see their staunch mates are really impotent chicken shits.

The AntiFA should always resist violence - it will only be used against them by the media, but keep up the pressure, insight and humour. Leave the violence to the NF, it's all they have - the mark of their insecurity.

Can someone pull that last post claiming to be from the MCA. They clearly do not have mandate to use that name and are just stirring.

This is the real John A, phony post above, not by me.

MCA rocks !!

Errrr, boom the nazis go !!

Oh, come /on/ you people buying into the mainstream media reports! Are you really that stupid? The One News broadcast was a classic case of biased misreporting - just for starters, they reported 300 people on the march, with a pan shot following that clearly showed FAR more than 300+. If they can't get simple numbers right, why would you believe the rest? The only "bottles being thrown" were tossed by the NF after I saw them passing them through the hedge. One was also tossed from a car at me in Webb St a few hours ago, recognisable fairy that I am. The "violence and thuggery" on the anti-racist side was simple self defence. Of /course/ the mainstream media will play up the worst - guess why we've got this thing here called indymedia??
All in all, today was indeed a victory against a bunch of white supremacist idiots thinly attempting to disguise themselves at the last minute as "patriots" when they realised their racist agenda wasn't going to win them any sympathy.
Well done everyone.

I really admire everyone who stood up to the National Front yesterday.

Those like Idiot Savant who are shocked by collective self-defence and offer liberal platitudes like 'tolerance' for Nazism need to wake up and understand that the National Front is an inherently violent organisation, and has to be smashed before it smashes the rest of us.

When fascism has triumphed overseas it has been because the left and the labour movement has failed to practice armed self-defence. Of course, the NF is a very long way from taking power in Aotearoa. But it still has the ability to disrupt the activites of the left, to harrass vulnerable communities, and to ruin lives.

Rather than being beaten up for the sake of 'tolerance', people have the right to defend themselves in an organised collective manner against this menace. I hope that those who fought with the Front will be able to get this message across to any more 'moderate' parts of the demonstration, who might be still trapped in Idiot Savant's liberal illusions about fascism.

It'd be interesting to know how trade unionists on the march viewed events. Our West Auckland branch of Unite! Community Union passed the hat and sent a member (Meto) down as a sort of rep to the demonstration. (We also sent a rep, Warren Duffy, to the anti-racism demonstration in Chch earlier this year - I think he got to speak at the rally there).

I hope that other unions were represented and can understand and support the collective self-defence practiced in Wgtn yesterday, because it is the organised multi-cultural working class which is always the ultimate target of the fascists.

Yep! left-on. No tolerance for Nazis.
Beat'em whereever you meat'em ;)
Unfortunately, it's the only language they understand.

Soli from the antipodes!

kia ora
I also hate violence so why are we allowing facists to be violent to others? Seems like many here have the wrong end of the stick. Who's violence is this? These facists(NF if you want to use their name ) are trying to make themselves look nice while attacking with a massive amount of violence in our communitys. Do you have to see it to know it exists? Do you not have history to show you from all across the globe to prove their people are very dangerous. I struggle with the voilence myself because I try to be peaceful but every day more and more I see violence against people for no reasons. The middle class and rich area attacking more and more the low income of this country as wages fall and people are forced to work longer and longer hours to feed their familys. Then they are blamed for not being at home to look after their kids etc. We should not stand for any more violence in our lives from any one. We need to stand up and tell bastards like these facists we know you and we will follow you. GOOD ON YAH Wellington young people, If only we could join you but many of us cant. I say well done Wellington for exposing the right for what they are...Racists and violent as well. The middle class say as usual it wasnt needed. Well fuck the middle class dicks. For too long we have let you control our lives and many of us say no more. No more violence, no more attack on our culture, no more control of our lives and most of all no more picking on those who you think you can. There are people who are prepared to point you out. So teachers/doctors/lawyers/MPs/community workers......etc etc ask about our needs before you seek to dump your culture on us.
To all those who marched yesterday. Fucken well done. You Nazis cant hide. Look at USA for what happens when you allow facism to take control.

Another Right-Wing corporate media report for ya:

"bloddied recriminations are flying after violent brawls between right-wing National Front, Anarchist rioters and police near parliament yesterday"

"police were slow to arrive as severa hunred anarchists, punks and other protesters cklashed with about 20 national front members in stout st, a block away from parliament"

"fringe members of the 800 strong anti-racism rally had broken away to face off with the national front, across the road from parliament"

wow - fucken best comment i was happy to read for some time. keep the fight going, mate! em tasol.

from
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=1362342&postcount=7

Yesterday, 04:28 AM #7
[seems he couldn't sleep the night before - already pissing your pants, he?]
NZTrooper [aka Kyle Chapman, wannabe "Fuehrer" of the NazionalFront scum]

Default Re: NZNF March to protect our Flag
Be there or be square.

The Left is planning to confront us in the morning as well, so this will be a fun fun fun day.

Anyone who isnt there will miss out on standing beside their brothers and sisters in the movement against the hordes of our enimies. They have chosen to come against us.

I look forward to meeting the new people and the ones who have been with us in the past.

Those who show have the opertunity to be part of history, those who dont are destined to be part of the "could haves" and the "maybes".

here is a reason people should not just randomly post photos up..

"Why dont we start collating pictures of these red bastards - then when they are on their own they can be approached and "persuaded" to see the error of their ways."

fromt he national fronts "stormfront" section.

Maybe if you can't decide if a photo will get somebody you should support into trouble then post it to the indy editor and let them decide. I don't think people should take cameras to these sorts of things unless they need documentation for court cases later.

http://www.anarchism.org.nz/queue/1369

lovley story here

Quote, Ant: "here is a reason people should not just randomly post photos up.."

- you guys quite happily do it to them, so why shouldnt they do it to you?

When I hear comments like "Unfortunately, it's the only language they understand.", I worry immensely about the future of the left here in NZ.

Whether you like it or not, we SHOULDN'T be taking the easy road and resorting to violence - We need to take that higher ground.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

A few things - from several accounts related to me it seems clear the first punch was thrown by Cale Olsen of the NF, not by an anarchist.

Secondly, do people out there really think the capitalist press must have the final say in what activists do? If you really think its essential not to look bad in the capitalist media, you'd really better think twice about getting involved in political activism. Capitalism will always ridicule or demonise its opponents whatever they do.

Strangely, lots of people seem to be opposed to violence today, but think its OK in the past. Lots of quite 'respectable' are happy to stand up and admit involvement in the violent 1981 anti-aparteid protests, yet condemn activists who use violence here and now. Similarly, you never see these people standing up on war memorials and condemning those who fought in the 1939-45 war as violent shit-stirrers who should have been more tolerant.

And lastly for 'beige':

"Just consider, if there had been no MCA march, no attempt to confront the NF, they would have got absolutely no press"

Rubbish, there was no opposition when the held a demo in Palmerston North earlier this year and they still got reported. Left protests seldom have opposition and still get reported. The NF will be reported, it's just a matter of whether they get the papers to themselves, or get challenged.

"At American rallies... the elder statesmen of the movement work hard to keep the Black Bloc and other anarchists in-line and thus prevent the media from having a field-day ..."

Well, in New Zealand the 'elder statesmen' of the movement, such as they are, are frequently anarchists themselves. The peaceful MCA march included many anarchists, some chose to confront the National Front, some didn't. The MCA itself began from a project initiated largely, if not entirely, by anarchists.

If you don't want to challenge capitalism and its injustices, that's fine. But maybe you could leave the people alone that do. Without the direct action of the black blocks and others, the anti-globalisation protests at Seattle, Genoa etc. would have disappeared from historical memory, just like the many large, peaceful protests I've helped organise over many years have.

Was the person who wrote this story actually there? I was, so here's what really happened...

A group of us from New Zealand's conservative political party gathered peacefully to show our support and respect for our national flag. This was too much for various anti-social "anarchist" riff-raff, who tried to shout us down. Funny, they kept chanting that we were "boring, boring, boring", but they stayed anyway. Go figure.
After we left (peacefully) and went to have a quiet drink at the railway station, the anarchist rabble decided it would be a nice idea to stop members of the public from getting to their trains. Good one guys!
Then, after we left the railway station to go home, we were set upon again by these violent thugs. While NF members showed wonderful restraint in the face of massive provocation, the anarchists showed their true colours by attacking several of our cars, and then cornering one of our guys on his own. The chap concerned is a quiet, shy chap who keeps to himself. He was attacked with a wooden bar, and kicked and beaten while on the ground by dozens of anarchists, and left covered in blood. The anarchists then stormed the police station trying to attack NF members who had taken refuge there.

Next time a leftie tells you the NF are violent thugs, tell him to look in the mirror.

Sam,

If you're hoping to "challenge capitalism and its injustices" by putting the boot into a couple of NF skinheads, you're letting your Doc Marten's do your thinking for you. From all accounts the object of Saturday's action was to silence and marginalize the FN. Instead, they got handed a "prograganda victory" that brings the country one step further toward race-war. Perhaps race-war figures somehow into your grand scheme to "challenge capitalism and its injustices"; I don't know, but in the event that race-war isn't on your Christmas list, you could probably do worse than thinking these through a little more.

Furthermore, it does not automatically follow that since the Palmy FN demo got coverage, an uneventful Welly demo would have got similar coverage. Earlier in the year, when the Palmy demo was staged, the FN were still a novelty on the political scene - "news", if you will. Now they are not. Forty-five people marching to parliament in favour of "free-speech" and the NZ flag is just not news, now matter how biased you may believe TV1 to be.

Finally, you seem awfully willing to lump all forms of "violence" into a single category. Smashing the windows of a McDonalds, partaking in a World War against a genocidal megalomaniac, or surrounding a lone skinhead and kicking him - it's all the same to you, to be universally condemned or exalted. The world work that way not. The strategy of any particular action needs to be judged in the context of the circumstances and ends of that action. Given the goals of Saturday's march, it should be relatively uncontroversial to describe a situation in which white supremacists were able to paint themselves as victims in front of a national audience as something of a failure for those who planned the action.

Also seen on stormfront today....
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UP the National Front
What cowards wearing masks. What a joke nothing but a bunch of pussies
The scarey, fairies what the f**k what a gay name.
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Well, er....DUH! ;)

"What the fuck with theze people they say no vilence.
We have rights ( I samoan) to defends our culture agaist them nazis.
I see a nazi, I crack his ass."

You complain that you percieve them to be violent, then one sentence later youre advocating violence yourself. The hypocrisy astounds me. If you have the right to defend your Samoan culture then do New Zealanders have that same right to defend their New Zealand culture, or just you? By the logic presented here, defending your Samoan culture makes you a brown-supremacist. I worry about how exactly you intend to establish who is a Nazi and who is not, or will you just assault people and ask questions later? How does that make you any better than the way you percieve the NF to be?

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.

To Faryan, who said "Display 'tolerance' when its your family member's headstone that's desecrated"

A number of members of my family had their gravestones desecrated in the Makara cemetary attack.

I haven't heard anybody here proclaim that we should tolerate the NF in any way, shape or form.

What I have heard is many calls for the left to display the moral clarity that makes us what we are. We have the answer to this society's ills - and one of those ills is violence, without a doubt. We should not be using violence, for that merely takes us down to the level of the NF and their fellow fascists.

..."We should not be using violence, for that merely takes us down to the level of the NF and their fellow fascists"...

How many times have heard this piece of moral high ground lip-service holier than thou crap?

Notably, our 'violence' doesn't include wandering around in packs beating up little brown kids and lone Asians. Do you REALLY think there's no difference between this and self-defence against a 6-foot skinhead with a baton?

Yep, I'm an atheist, all religions seem like nonsense to me. It was the religious aspect rather than the fact it was Nordic that I had the main problem with. It seems kinda stupid to bring back something that has long since had its day even in Scandinavia. If it weren't for the fact this nonsense is being aligned with fascist politics it would be a relatively harmless hobby for death metal teenagers in Norway or whatever.

Cultricide, your sense of causation is back to front. The MCA march was in response to that of the NF holding its rally. If they hadn't come onto the streets in the first place then no counter demo would have been necessary.

You can't view the NF as just another bunch of volks out for a Saturday walk and then off to the pub before going home, in the way their founder Anton Flojambe has tried to portray them here.

In the context of the various events in Wgtn in recent months, it would have been a major failure to let the fascists wander around as if it was perfectly normal for them to be doing so. Like I said, they started the violence so all that happened was a bit of street cleaning.

and why? BECAUSE we announced to kick ass and you pussies stayed at home. it's called counter-violence. against thigs like you. or maybe, you're "just" a middle-extremist. wonder who is worse though...

Awesome!
You guys rock! Thats the way to deal with the national front - boots and fists! I take my hat off to those of you who had the guts to give them what they deserve!

My very best comradely greetings to you all!

Really researcher, if you react to the sort of bilge you have quoted, to the extent of trying to censor it, then you are just playing into the hands of the fascists. Treat it with the contempt it deserves and ignore it; by pasting it here you are giving it far more respect than it deserves.

No thinking person will take any notice of it. And as for the non-thinking, who cares what they believe anyway?

Congratulations!

Australians fascists are probably overdue for a good solid bashing, and its over due.

The NF better realise there out numbered, outgunned, and outsmarted. Nobody wants fascism and there damn lucky the anarchists showed so much restraint. Most of those NF people deserve to beaten within an inch of there lives. This is something we call "Justice".

Thanks for the inspiration. Over in perth Perth they had most of the worst nazis taken out by the coppers, and its about time Sydney was finally cleaned out. Maybe if the cops wont do it, the community will.

'Tolerance' is overrated. No-one likes to be tolerated when they should be valued.
I saw the footage of the dust-up on Australian TV. It was treated a bit like a fluff piece (you know, like the story at the end of the news of a cat in a tree etc) because the nazis looked so silly after their tough talk. The end comment was something like "the fascists were told to leave town for their own safety" and, like other footage, emphasis was given to the fact that passers-by gave the fascists a serve.
I know we're not supposed to glorify the spectacle and all that, but damn it looked great.
A few years ago, some nazis tried to hold a similar rally in Brunswick, Melbourne. Brunswick is about 90% migrant, so it was an odd choice to begin with. Local grocers handed out rotten vegetables to the (much, much larger) counter-rally and hilarity ensued. Their fuhrer —I forget his name, he looks like an accountant- copped an egg squarely inside his mouth just as he opened it to bark some nonsense. The aim was uncanny. It made it on a sports show as 'Play of the Day.'
Solidarity to the particpants, but don't fall into the trap of painting all nazis as idiots.

"You were only 45"

So you pick on minorities now? Bravo.

"and why? BECAUSE we announced to kick ass and you pussies stayed at home."

I disagree that it's okay to "kick people asses" because of their political beliefs.

"it's called counter-violence. against thigs like you."

No it's called violence. Against "things like me"? What are "things like me" exactly, and why do I deserve to be assaulted when I have never assaulted anyone?

"or maybe, you're "just" a middle-extremist. wonder who is worse though..."

Well my political label is center-left. I dont think theres anything "extreme" about allowing people freedom of expression, the same freedom of expression you and me both enjoy. If I was running the country I would allow you to speak against me, would you do the same? If the NF are so stupid then theyll fail on their own. If they attack someone they will be punished by the court system, just like if you attack someone. I dont see why you should set yourself up as a Gestapo-like organisation dealing out violence to political dissenters.

you ARE a extremist out of the middle of society. Gestapo? You don't know what you're talking about. Or are you a follwoer of this utterly stupid ideology of "totalitarianism"?

ah, and i'm sure that person above meant "thugs like you", not things ("u" lies next to "i").

The core of fascist ideology is intolerance for all other political beliefs and the overt ruthless crushing of all dissent internally within a nation's borders.

Correct. Unfortunately it seems that the only difference between the anti-fascist thugs and the fascists is the amount and type of dissent they want to ruthlessly crush.

I have no doubt that the fascist ideology is wrong, but that does not justify suppressing it with violence, any more than a belief that your opinions were wrong would justify suppressing you.

You let fascists have free speech unopposed and you can quickly find that you have none yourself.

I'm not suggesting that they have free speech unopposed - in fact, quite the opposite. The answer to the National Front and other neo-nazis is to vigorously oppose them at every turn, by speaking out against them. That's what the MCA march was all about - demonstrating that, whatever the National Front think, the vast majority of New Zealanders do not agree with them.

Idiot/Savant

No Right Turn - New Zealand's second-best liberal blog

Then tell me Mr Idiot/Savant what happened on Saturday that offended your liberal sensibilities?

Cale (the NF guy who was bleeding) was hit because he attacked a member of the crowd, there were no police to intervene and members of the crowd acted in self-defence. The violence that TV1 made so much of happened at the end of maybe three hours of confronting the National Front without violence.

That violence occurred when there were in my estimation about 200 people at least over 140 of them were passersby and non-activists.

Unfortunately you have been misled by the media that you are so often critical of, unfortunately since you lack any substantial analysis as to why there are problems with the media - you will continue to make the same liberal errors you made in your first post.

"I don't see what's totalitarian about the NF"

Cultricide, are you really so ignorant? You really need to do some homework on these goons. Go look at their website, skip their policies because, although they're bad enough, they're mainly windoe dressing. It's in the forum that you get a real taste of what they're about.

And Idiot/Savant, would "speaking out against them" have been your response to the rise of the Nazis in Germany? Hitler himself said that the only way they could have been stopped was if they were crushed when they first appeared.

Isnt it funny how the nazi supporters and the liverlas are agreeing on how awful it is to use force agaisnt fascism?
Kyle 'Fatfuck' Chapman was all over the TV saying how working class he was and how working class NZers are quite prepared to use violence to defend themselves, and a few minutes later we did.
Working class white kids joined working class brown and yellow kids and kicked nazi butt. And no one is complaining except liberals and fascists.

Both groups despise the working class, for different reasons. fascists seek to divide the working class and smash working class organisations so they cna build an authoritarian state. Liberals hate working class people cos we are supposedly to thick to think for ourselves and we arent refined and polite like them.
Well we can think for ourselves and we think the best way to fight fascism is to drive the bastards off our streets. we dont oppose them just becuase they are violent. we oppose fascism because fascists seek to divide the working class and promote bigotry and authoritarianism. we want freedom and democracy, and that means standing up to the fascists, not politely asking the politicians and the cops to do it for us. the state, the cops and the politicians are part of the problem, so fuck them, lets do it ourselves.
Mr G

Palmerston North man Stephen Beale, who travelled in a motorcade with about 30 others to Wellington to support MCA, said the violence overshadowed what was otherwise a peaceful march.

Most of the MCA marchers had no idea what was going on.

Mr Beale said the violence came out of the blue, and as far as he could see wasn't planned.

Another Palmerston North MCA marcher in Wellington, Jason Blair, said a brass band was playing, people were dancing and there were many of families.

"I didn't think any confrontation was necessary."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/manawatustandard/0,2106,3075565a6003,00.html

Ancient history!

"If push comes to shove (even literally) who do you think your "ordinary New Zealanders" will side with: White New Zealanders or non-White New Zealanders?"

They chose on Saturday, the majority of the crowd that ran the NF out of town were ordinary New Zealanders. 2-3000 marched for diversity. 40 schmucks stood for bigotry and some kind of twisted patriotism.

Heh. You're dreaming.

"40 Today. 4,000 Tomorrow."

wern't you claiming that you were expecting 2000 an your latest protest in wellington

oh boy the numbers arn't really working for you just now are they!!

"Multiculturalism and tolerance" - that is a good message. But don't forget that white nationalists and Nazis are also part of our multicultural society. So you have to tolerate them as well and respect their opinion, even if it is different from yours. That is the meaning of tolerance. Isn't it?

Beige wrote:

Just consider, if there had been no MCA march, no attempt to confront the NF, they would have got absolutely no press - and certainly not the lead-off story on the evening news. As it transpired, a few people allowed their emotions to get the better of them and the NF won the media battle.

Are you for real!?!?? The NF did not win the media battle. While TV One downplayed MCA numbers (300 as apposed to more than 1000) every newspaper and tv article showed no sympathy to the NF.

Those that have put up postings saying using violence against the NF was wrong - understand this. The NF ran away when people were chaniting slogans at them. There was no violence UNTIL Cale Olsen (NF central NZ Rep) hit someone repeatedly. The TV One fottage clearly shows that. Do those opposed to violence at all costs really expect that people should have just stood and watched as Cale beat that guy. Gosh, at least then perhaps they could argue the moral high ground.

It's a simple fact that the NF have used violence on a number of occassions. A group of up to 10 of them attacked some Somali boys in my neighbourhood a few months ago, then 2 days later NF members returning from a nf demo in Palmerston North ran down a Maori guy in Otaki. Kyle Chapman has boasted on http://www.nationalfront.org.nz/forum/viewtopic.php?t=72
that he knows of people beaten up by NF members.
Pacifism is a fine virtue if you face no threat of violence. I am not a violent person, but I would never allow myself to be beaten without fighting back. I would never stand by and watch a person being unfairly attacked without trying to stop it. To accuse me of being wrong for trying to protect myslef or someone else is ridiculous. Perhaps it would have been 'less violent' for the crowd to watch Cale Olsen beat that guy up rather than for them to stop the attack? Somehow I don't think so.

"The NF ran away when people were chaniting slogans at them."

Exactly. Our side had won, hands down, no argument, no question.

It should've been the end of the story right there.

Try and understand this one guys, it's in Chinese, which I can speak and read.

The poster says it all.

Point well made, XXXXX. Er, Icehawk darling, please stop talking about the fairies as the ones responsible for the 'fisticuffs' and criticising us for 'lousy tactics', mm? You'll note that we fae simply spread glitter and danced, and my personal response to being shoved by a sparkly nazi was simply more sparklies ;)

The above comment has been edited by the Ed crew. Don't post peoples names if they are using a pseudonym. People use them for a reason. - finn c.

Haha awesome. Smash the right.

way to go anti-racists!!!

Any and all Nazis, Right wing groups and supporters thereof are leave this Country or face exerminaation by the Red Leigion.

It will be a long time before the National Front show their faces in Wellington again?
I believe a rally was held a short time after this and the anti`s were left to wind up windows because they were scared of getting attacked!
HAHA Cant wait till the Aussie NF get to have a go at this action!